Episode 475 - Tropeagedden! overuse of fashionable tropes...

Apr 20, 2020

Certain tropes or stylistic ways of telling a story can get really, really popular and trendy very quickly and it seems like they're everywhere! Suddenly many story are all told with the same sort of stylistic flourishes. The first few times it's done that way it's clever and meaningful but after that people just use the same thing without understanding it properly and consequently usually do a really crappy job!

Topics and Show Notes

My biggest bugbear currently is the stories that are split across multiple timelines: So we show concurrent storylines but one or a few of them are actually set in the past and they're interspersed with a storyline from the present as if all events are happening at the SAME time. The Witcher handled that very badly because it had no context clues about where you were at the “time”. The Medici series is another example. In that they DO give you context clues however because the characters actually look different but it's still annoying because they switch back and fourth far too regularly.

When this style of fast temporal storyline switching was first introduced in novels (in the 80s) it was reasonably clever and interesting because it was new at the time. But it is something that has to be handled carefully in order to work well. It doesn't lend itself to overuse! Unless there's a good reason and you REALLY know what you're doing, either tell your story in a linear fashion or give us extended scenes that take a full chapter/episode to complete

Banes made a post about love triangles. That's another trope that can be terrible if overused but great if used with a bit of tact and skill. Other examples are subverted character types (evil angels/good demons), subverted humanised villains (good Maleficent), bad heroes (rapist knight in shining armour)- these things are ONLY interesting because they're a twist on a standard trope and a variation from the norm, but when they BECOME the norm there's no reason for them to exist: they self invalidate.
What are some you've noticed?


This week Gunwallace has given us the theme to Space Daddy Adventures - A big dose of early 70s prog concept mixed with 1960s beat poetry. It reminds me of the music of the British prog band Jade Warrior from their eponymous 1971 album. Breathy flute, percussion, and a spare, jungle sound with creepy British vocals… Slip into your tight black polo-neck and black beret, sip on an espresso and flick your fingers in appreciation of this coooool retro piece!


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Space Daddy Adventures - https://www.theduckwebcomics.com/Space_Daddy_Adventures/, by Hushicho, rated M.

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ozoneocean at 12:29AM, April 22, 2020

Wow, that's so cool! Thanks for the comments and telling us about the youtube vids. We'll check them out Hushicho :D

hushicho at 5:29PM, April 21, 2020

Sorry to multiple comment, but I also felt it might be relevant to mention, I just did (just a couple of days ago!) an extemporaneous video about my thoughts on timeskips, and overuse of flashback and story out of chronological order factored heavily in my critique of AHS Apocalypse, which I did a 13 Problem Points video and a video essay on a main character being more of a villain. They're all at my YouTube, and of course it's the same name there, if you were at all interested in my opinion on those things. But I really found your conversation about this very interesting and absorbing.

hushicho at 5:16PM, April 21, 2020

Another great show, and I'm sorry for not commenting as much lately, but the thing that really grabbed me was the unexpected feature of...Space Daddy! That piece of music was amazing, and I'd love to have it to listen to. I swear, I'm not that dodgy! The discussion was fascinating, and I know I'd get off on tangents if I tried to comment, but I agree for the most part that it's how something is used, it's just that some things are worn out and don't tend to be used well by anyone, regardless of trend. In any case, thank you so much for that amazing piece of music. I am absolutely blown away, and you have absolutely made my day! I laughed, I applauded, and as always, I enjoyed your podcast. Lots of things to think about, very well presented.


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