Page 207
KimLuster on Oct. 2, 2014
Two hundred seven pages into the story, and someone finally says the story Title!!! Serious thinkin' goin' on!!! Our Colonel is a philospher!
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Not the first time the idea that some ‘dreamers’ sensed a presence' while dreaming (see pg 87)
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Dr. Woodward is right about the eating. See unusual eating on pages 67,86,115-116,127,196.
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A cameo in the second panel ;)
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Will try to cut back on text - eventually haha
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Thanks for reading everyone!
skyangel at 1:02AM, Feb. 13, 2015
I do wonder what it would be like if the whole world ended up with this virus!
tupapayon at 12:49PM, Oct. 6, 2014
Song to the siren... Maybe... ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ ...
KimLuster at 8:34PM, Oct. 4, 2014
Thanks Vino!!
VinoMas at 6:55PM, Oct. 4, 2014
Loved the last panel!
KimLuster at 7:07PM, Oct. 3, 2014
I did google it - didn't find anything, but it does sound like a song from the seventies... And fillipinecrossroader lol
tupapayon at 6:54PM, Oct. 3, 2014
@Fillipinecrossroader (close enough): I don't know if it's a song but I'll Google it... If it's not, it should be... To the rest of you: way too much analysis... Your making me think... And it hurts!
KimLuster at 6:24PM, Oct. 3, 2014
@Paul: Awesome! And yes, while I'm trying bring some of the outlying things about this story together, tighter, I must warn about drawing any conclusions just yet ;) I would have answered similarly towards your lecturer I think. Philosophical Idealism bugs me - if someone tells me the physical isn't real, I might just pull a Samuel Johnson, kick a boulder, and yell "I refute it thus!"
PaulEberhardt at 5:02PM, Oct. 3, 2014
A lecturer of mine once told me that you can't really call anything "real" or "unreal", because we all just build what we call reality from what we perceive or dream up at any one time. I replied that, if that were true, at least cartoon physics would be real - you know, things like a coyote only falling down the canyon when it finally notices that there hasn't been any ground under its feet for some time. It upset her a bit, so I added that I'd have preferred her version, too. ;)
PaulEberhardt at 4:50PM, Oct. 3, 2014
Finally I understood the title - not something that happens every day with me. ;) Having caught up with the updates again now, it all makes sense - but, as Houser neatly points out in the last panel, this is still no reason to draw any quick conclusions. I love this comic!
KimLuster at 4:06PM, Oct. 3, 2014
@bravo: Great advice... As long as you seem to be 'stuck' in a single 'dream-state', with enough evidence that it might be real. We can doubt any 'state', even our current waking life. You have a totally logical structure to assume ('believe') such a state is real. Tom Morris (author of 'Philosophy for Dummies', one of the yellow books) call this the Principle of Belief Conservation.
bravo1102 at 1:02PM, Oct. 3, 2014
The upshot of all this dreaming is that the definition of dreaming versus reality is mere semantics. If your dream is real, it is your reality. If your reality is a dream it is a dream. What you call it is immaterial, how you experience it is. Be in the dream or the reality and live it. Doesn't matter what you call it just be in the moment. That is why the sage laughs.
KimLuster at 12:43PM, Oct. 3, 2014
@Banes: Thanks! The Colonel does see a bigger picture - hope you like what he says next page!
Banes at 12:08PM, Oct. 3, 2014
The scientist is talking about God, the Colonel's waxing philosophical...this is cool; the characters are quite three dimensional (but I agree that the Colonel...or other hidden military types...are champing at the bit to militarize these superhumans once they're perfected. The Men Staring at Goats didn't quite work out (or did it?); maybe this will! Great page. I like what you're doing here, taking Kim out of the picture and letting these other characters tell us what's been going on.
fallopiancrusader at 7:39AM, Oct. 3, 2014
@tupapayon: wasn't that a song by KC and the sunshine band?
KimLuster at 7:15AM, Oct. 3, 2014
*note to self* - do not drink coffee while reading tupapayon's comments - *goes to clean up* haha...
KimLuster at 7:14AM, Oct. 3, 2014
@FC: Next page we're gonna veer away from the war-room a bit, but the Colonel will weigh on in his thoughts about the real-life potentials of all this - stay tuned :)
KimLuster at 7:12AM, Oct. 3, 2014
@Bravo: Dang I wished used that quote instead...! It fits so much better! And yeah, I doubt these guy will conclude that 'yeah, we're all just a dreaming maelstrom - everybody sing row row row your boat...!'. Does make for a great story, but also sort of ends it. Nowhere much to go of that's the conclusion ;)
tupapayon at 7:10AM, Oct. 3, 2014
@Bravo75764356435675445:(I don't think I've got the number right) ... So you're dreaming me dreaming you dreaming me dreaming you dreaming me dreaming you dreaming me... Oh no! I've gone cross eyed...
fallopiancrusader at 7:03AM, Oct. 3, 2014
I was gonna say Jean looks sort of like Dr. Andrew Weil, and his thinking is similar to Weil's as well... The general may be waxing philosophical, but deep down inside, he's probably thinking "Yay! an army of super-soldiers, just for me!" I don't know enough about dream theories to weigh in on the philosophical discussion. Well, except for those times when my life seems like a waking nightmare, but that's a different story.
bravo1102 at 6:37AM, Oct. 3, 2014
But it makes for a great story. :-D
bravo1102 at 6:35AM, Oct. 3, 2014
Poe said it simply: Is all we see or seem but a dream within a dream? That infers that each dream is nested within the dream of another dreamer ad infinitum. So it's not my dream you exist in, but both of us in each others dreams up to larger and larger dreams all the way up to the sleeping Para Brahman the dreamer of all the universe. It's a great way to ditch responsibility for your life choices.
KimLuster at 5:37AM, Oct. 3, 2014
@tupapayon: yeah, that's been a pervading theme throughout a large portion of this story - Ontology (the philosophy of 'being'), what is real, what can we know? And you're right - it is a fine line! More like a tightrope! And if it gets too 'gooey metaphysical' it can piss readers off haha. I know I got tired of listening to the Oracle in the Matrix - she said ALOT, but she never really explained anything! I want to avoid that trap...!
tupapayon at 5:01AM, Oct. 3, 2014
There is no spoon... I see you are treading along the fine line that divides philosophy, science and theology... If you couldn't wake up from a dream, how would you know the difference between the real world and the dream?... Wow, I haven't seen the Matrix in a long time...
KimLuster at 4:36AM, Oct. 3, 2014
@plymayer: whatever are you talking about? haha ;) The guy with the beard may resemble Morihei Ueshiba - until you look a little lower... He has substantial belly girth! He's Dr. Jean Colbert, and we see him on pgs 25,51-52, and 78-82. He's had few speaking parts and has never interacted with Kimber Lee directly (at least on screen) so I didn't feel the need to mention him in the author notes. He is the first one to suggest Kimber Lee's dream experiences is similar to someone being in the 'Matrix'.
KimLuster at 4:27AM, Oct. 3, 2014
@Peipei: I hear ya girl - like ya readin' my mind *takes another hit on the 'Texas Tea'* lol Seriously I think that exact stuff all the time, even when I'm not bored! :)