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DD Ranks: does it actually matter to you?
NickyP at 11:43AM, Feb. 21, 2011
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My comic is currently ranked #183 in Comic Strips, and #771 Overall. This makes me feel pretty giddy, especially considering it's a pencil drawn stick figure comic.

But what about you? Do you actually care how your comic is ranked?
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Adariel at 12:16PM, Feb. 21, 2011
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Once upon a time yeah, I was constantly affected by it. Now my concern is actually making an update.
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Genejoke at 12:20PM, Feb. 21, 2011
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I would like to say no but it would be a lie.

I don't make comics to be popular but it is gratifying that something I have made is doing well, or at least having an idea of how it is doing.
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Skullbie at 1:05PM, Feb. 21, 2011
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When i first started ooooh yeah i did. I was up in the top 10 here frequently and even #3 at one point, i'd check my hits almost every 15 minutes and the first thing i did when i got up was go to the bookmarked ‘hits’ tab. I also got around 60 comments per pages and my head was stuffed to the seams with egotism…

Then i pretty much grew out of it and now i'm more into making comics casually and getting readers without $$$ advertising.
 
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DarkGesen at 1:13PM, Feb. 21, 2011
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When the time is right, I'm gonna climb these ranks. Not necesarily to the very top, but high. Top ten is very optimistic. Top 50? is optimistic. Top 100? Hopefully someday soon.
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Castle Pokemetroid at 4:18PM, Feb. 21, 2011
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I think that getting in the top 500 would be a major accomplishment for me. The highest I got was in the 800s. Now I'm at rank 1200 or so.
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blindsk at 8:53PM, Feb. 21, 2011
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I worked on projects long ago and had that mindset. Advertised like crazy and threw my name out there on as many forums as I could (so yeah, not necessary in the top on DD, but in the webcomics community in general). I'm sure most people are that way, starting out.

The only problem, is that what little fan-base you might have generated almost feels pushed to the side, as if their viewership isn't appreciated. So now, I respect the fans I have, even if they are as little as one or two.

In conclusion, I keep making because I enjoy it, not for the numbers. I'm always happy to get viewers that appreciate what I enjoy doing, and my ultimate goal is to continue to consistently provide quality content that viewers of mine have already come to read.
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ozoneocean at 9:48PM, Feb. 21, 2011
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blindsk
The only problem, is that what little fan-base you might have generated almost feels pushed to the side, as if their viewership isn't appreciated. So now, I respect the fans I have, even if they are as little as one or two.
Yes.
It depends on your goals and aims of course, but for me it's similar- the few loyal readers and commentators I have are worth more than 30 or 40K empty page hits or a simple rank.



Popularity is not an end in itself. Popularity opens doors, and THOSE are the reasons for achieving it.
But you have to be prepared for whether you can really deal with it, or whether your project is really right for it. Stuff like publishing opportunities, lucrative advertising deals, offers from other popular artists, work offers… Or just creating an audience to sell your own products to (published comics, T-shirts etc).
 
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NickyP at 11:52PM, Feb. 21, 2011
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In my case, my readers are my friends, family, and whoever is friends with me on Facebook. Anyone else, be it comments from DD users or just random pageviews, is just the cherry on top.

But hey, it's natural human behavior to like it when people like the things you make, right?
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Chernobog at 9:22AM, Feb. 22, 2011
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For me, it's a matter of consistency. I like to see I can maintain a relative position, rather than getting the high score or some such. I had some moments in the top 100. It was good, but it isn't a burning goal right now. What I like is I can think back to what I averaged in previous years and see I've done a little better each time. For me, gradually doing better is better than spiking to the top.
 
 
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Genejoke at 9:56AM, Feb. 22, 2011
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Indeed. Consistency suggests people are coming back where as a spike can be little more than a fluke.
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Ironscarf at 10:17AM, Feb. 22, 2011
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Yeah popularity can be a rocky road and you can lose sight of why you started in the first place in order to persue it. I can think of a bunch of things that would make my comic more popular (I don't check very often but it's never been above 1000 I think) but I don't do them because then it wouldn't be the comic I set out to make.

If the reason you started was to be popular, then good luck and follow those stats, but I can think of a lot of easier ways to be popular than making webcomics!
 
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I Am The 1337 Master at 11:50AM, Feb. 22, 2011
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I start to care and then give up on it.
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ozoneocean at 11:51AM, Feb. 22, 2011
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If the reason you started was to be popular, then good luck and follow those stats, but I can think of a lot of easier ways to be popular than making webcomics!
It's not that sort of popularity… I think “recognition” might be a better term.
I know that through doing my webcomic and putting my art on the net in various popular web galleries over the years that my work has been seen by literally millions of people. That's far more than most of my peers in art school could ever lay claim to.

But the main thing with trying for “popularity” in webcomics in the end is making something out of your idea- pushing it forward, getting it known, creating your own piece of immortality, competing and measuring yourself against the other great comics out there, and maybe even in the end: making some money out of your work, if you ever want think that far ahead or go down that road :)
 
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Ironscarf at 1:14PM, Feb. 22, 2011
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But the main thing with trying for “popularity” in webcomics in the end is making something out of your idea- pushing it forward, getting it known, creating your own piece of immortality, competing and measuring yourself against the other great comics out there, and maybe even in the end: making some money out of your work, if you ever want think that far ahead or go down that road :)

Has to be I suppose, otherwise why post it in the first place? I know when I'm dead, someone is going to look at my comic and say “Hey - this dead guy was actually pretty good!” before going back to Questionable Content. It's immortality, of a kind!
 
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ramlama at 8:23PM, Feb. 22, 2011
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NickyP
But what about you? Do you actually care how your comic is ranked?
In a world this capricious and uncertain, I'll take whatever quantifiable reward mechanism I can get my grubby little paws on, even if it's as abstract as a digital number. Feels more real than any grade I got in school, and the competition seems more authentic than any contest I entered in school. Lots of views isnt necessarily a goal for me, but it's a decent measuring stick for some of my real goals.

Ironscarf
Has to be I suppose, otherwise why post it in the first place? I know when I'm dead, someone is going to look at my comic and say “Hey - this dead guy was actually pretty good!” before going back to Questionable Content. It's immortality, of a kind!
I'm on the 1000 year plan. I'm going to take over the world eventually, even if I don't live to see it happen :p
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shirkersama at 9:04PM, Feb. 22, 2011
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I cry myself to sleep every night because I don't have a comic in the top 10.

But really, I guess I kind of care. My comics are both surprisingly high ranked (in the 500's overall last time I looked) which makes me smile every time I see it. But when they slip back in to the 800's on occasion I don't mind.
That said, if I ever make the top hundred I will shit myself with joy and do a happy dance or something.
Meh
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machinehead at 6:45PM, Feb. 23, 2011
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My comic's popularity fluctuates too much for me to care. If it starts to dip in the rankings I feel that it stopped being funny, other times I think the comic was never funny to begin with. I guess when you have low brow humor, it's hard to tell what others like and dislike.
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El Cid at 7:37PM, Feb. 23, 2011
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… If it starts to dip in the rankings I feel that it stopped being funny, other times I think the comic was never funny to begin with. I guess when you have low brow humor, it's hard to tell what others like and dislike.
Trust me, your comic is very funny! It's one of the few “gag” comics I read regularly.
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El Cid at 7:42PM, Feb. 23, 2011
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My comic was originally made for a very small and very particular niche audience, so I had some serious misgivings as to how well it would be received at a more mainstream venue. In that regard, the rankings were very important to me initially because, had the comic not done well, I simply would have stopped posting it here.

And it's not that the rankings are important because they tell you how well your comic is competing with others; it's just that having some comparative measure gives meaning to the otherwise arbitrary stats. Getting a thousand page views in a day is awesome under any circumstance, but on a site where the average is, say, ten thousand, that tells you that you could potentially be doing much better.
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bravo1102 at 10:15PM, Feb. 23, 2011
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When you start out with two strikes against you you take what you can get.

Let's be realistic here. You look at my comics and you see photos (Strike #1!) and dolls (Strike #2!) and at least fifty percent of would be readers are gone. Self-promotion is hard when you know you have two strikes against you before you ever get into the batter's box.

And it doesn't help that I'm an erratic writer at best. ;)

But you know quality has never equalled page views. Absolute garbage can be extremely popular and that provides some comfort and keeps me going until I can get something decent posted. I really do have decent scripts laying around I'm just stuck with nowhere to do any shooting right now. lol!
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Armagedon at 12:51PM, Feb. 24, 2011
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I think the ranking this, to an extent matters. For me, it translates into the thought that I am getting more views. Even if it isn't the case (which I doubt), the thought that people are finding and reading the comic increases my confidence.

Without something like that, I don't think I could keep up with an update system. It's not that I don't enjoy doing them, but I want my work to be seen, and the ranking system at least gives the impression that it is, and that there's a possibility of more in the future.
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Peipei at 6:04AM, Feb. 28, 2011
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Rank used to be a HUGE, I mean HUGE deal to me! hehehe xD! I used to promote my comics like nobody's business! xD My comic has had times where it's shot up to the top 10 before. Although short-lived, I have to admit that it was really nice! I think what matters more than random pageviews though is an active readership.

I've come to realize that the idea of knowing there are folks out there reading and enjoying what you've brought to the table is golden. I still set goals and expectations for my comic, but they are nowhere near as high as they once where. My main goal as of late is to update on time every week and hope for the best :S!

I like Pie!
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Abt_Nihil at 6:27AM, Feb. 28, 2011
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What I would really like to know: Has any of your comics' ranking ever changed anything for you? Has it had any real effect? Except on your ego? ^_^

As for me, I've been lucky enough to have had three comics featured, so some of them have gone from somewhere in the 300s to somewhere in the 50s. But I can't say it ever really mattered to me. What's great is to have exposure, but that was connected to the feature, not the rank. Of course, everything would change if I had a top 10 comic :p
The only thing I really care about on dd is to interact with readers, to get responses.
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PIT_FACE at 6:37AM, Feb. 28, 2011
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like a lotta people here, i used to follow it alot more closely, specially when PM really started climbing in rank, but i've been workin at this thing for almost 4 years now and ya tend to chill out about rank, i still check em every now and then. though i do like of corse when it climbs.

not only is it nice to feel some appreciation come from it, but the higher it climbs in rank, the more people'll probably see it, since the browse is sorted by rank.
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Doodstormer at 8:38AM, Feb. 28, 2011
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There was one time when I cared, and that was when I got featured and leapt up to rank #23 in Comic Book/Story. Yeah, that's right, I was at the bottom of the first page of the “browse comics” section if you toggled the options just so.

But now I don't really mind now that I've got a regular group of about a dozen readers, I think they'll spread the word around on their own time and as long as there's comments coming from someplace, I can keep Elements going.
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kyupol at 7:10PM, March 1, 2011
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NO.
NOW UPDATING!!!
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itsjustaar at 2:00AM, March 3, 2011
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I suppose it kinda matters to me a little bit, though it's amazing how one thing goes from the bottom to midway in a matter of 5's. Almost daily, too. One minute, it's bad… next thing y'know, it's moving forward.

But for the small group still reading me, a big thanks.
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Tim Wellman at 8:30PM, March 8, 2011
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The rankings are sort of like how many print comics you sell. Face it, if we didn't want readers we wouldn't put our work online. I have artwork I don't care if anyone sees… and no one will because it stays in my studio. I want people to read my comics, to enjoy themselves the same way I do when I read other comics… and one measure of how many people are enjoying your work is the rankings.

Time Girls is now in the top 100, and it just got it's first day of pageviews over 1000… not bad for only having 22 pages up so far. The only advertising I've done is on this forum and on my Deviantart page (which get's a whopping 10 hits a day :-)

Time Girls will soon be a print comic, so even the webcomic is advertising for something else. The rankings are important to me because each pageview is a person saying, ‘Let’s give this one a shot.'

The only reason artists have comics on DD is so other people can read them (duh!) and no one says, ‘I want to have 10 readers. That’s all. Give me ten readers and block everyone else.' We put our comics out to the public hoping to get millions of readers, period. Otherwise we'd just send pages to our friends via email.

We're a wicked lot of whores, we comic artists are… it's all about numbers. It's the pay, not the lay.
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ozoneocean at 8:07AM, April 3, 2011
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Actually, I'm wondering now whether DD ranks have changed at all due to the problems we've been having since Wednesday.
Or do they even work currently? O_o

It'd be interesting to see what people think.
 
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