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QUACKCAST 580 - Fantasy worlds crossing over

Ozoneocean at 12:00AM, April 26, 2022

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The full team is assembled yet again! Tantz came up with the idea of having a look at hidden fantasy worlds in fiction that have strong ties with the “real world” and how they function together. Her main example was the world of Harry Potter which has many strong connections to the real world and yet manages to stay very well hidden, which stretches plausibility a bit. The World of Casandra Clare's Mortal Instruments is similar in that regard, it's deeply tied to the mundane world and yet it stays hidden from it to a degree that isn't really possible.

There are many other fantasy worlds where the connections with the real world are much more limited and that makes their hidden nature more plausible, i.e. Oz, Neverland, Narnia, Xanth, Wonderland… This was a fun topic to chat about! We covered a lot of ground. We even touched on the world of Hellraiser as a hidden fantasyland. To make your hidden world more believable, don't make it so that there are heaps of people who experience it all the time or have it constantly influence the real world because asking people to accept that no one knows about it is a bit silly.

This week Gunwallace gave us a musical theme to COLD-BLOODED - Coils and coils of slithering intrigue, smooth scales kletter over dry sands, a powerful, muscular form wriggles through the shimmering desert heat towards the nuclear furnace of the hot, yellow sun. Heavy, synth, rhythmic sounds.

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Tantz's newspost about Fantasy worlds -

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EssayBee at 6:58AM, April 27, 2022

Ozoneocean--Dark Tower stuff affects all of reality; Jonathan Howard's series actually has reality "folded" at the end of the first book and an alternate timeline taking place in the second; the Lovecraft stuff has the potential for world-destroying events to take place through gateways; and the Dreamworlds of Randoph Carter (particularly "The Dreamquest of Unknown Kadath") have a human making his way to a secret world of dreams.

Ozoneocean at 9:02PM, April 26, 2022

Do they feature lots of influence over the real, unhidden world though? Or are they reasonably separate?

EssayBee at 10:23AM, April 26, 2022

A bit adjacent to this is the "hidden" and/or "unexplored" world fantasy fiction. Not magic fantasy but "science" fantasy. Things like "The Lost World" (the Doyle book, not the Spielberg movie), "20,000 Leagues Under the Sea," and even "Innerspace" and "Honey I Shrunk the Kids." These have characters exploring fantastic "worlds" that need special tech and/or an adventurer's derring-do to reach.

EssayBee at 9:46AM, April 26, 2022

The works of H.P. Lovecraft fall into this category--both with the Cthulhu stuff and with the Randolph Carter dream stories. (I'd also give a shoutout by association to Jonathan L. Howard's wonderful modern-noire/Lovecraft mythos books "Lovecraft and Carter" and its sequel "After the End of the World.") I suppose Stephen King's Dark Tower series and books like Insomnia (which has some direct Dark Tower references) have a lot of hidden and/or layered worlds. (I suppose his Rose Madder would also fit the bill with being able to enter another world through a painting.) Then there's the Hollow Earth mythology, which has touched lots of things from Indiana Jones (in several of the "prequel" books from the 90s) to Godzilla.

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