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DRUNK DUCK graphical redesign????
Ashley.Grenstone at 7:58AM, June 2, 2017
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Amelius has some really good points.

Also, had I known about this on the 22 of May I would have been right on it. That I only know about it today is, I think, an example of a communications problem too. Like, I have to visit the page for the weekly DD updates, and If I'm not thinking about DD, I'm not visiting it.

SO I think a bigger external presence needs to fit in with this redesign, to properly facilitate drawing new users into the website's sphere of influence.

Also I'm a graphic designer by heart and experience, I soooo am going to start working on a concept piece for this. I'm too excited right now, lols.
Ozoneocean at 11:49AM, June 2, 2017
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Looks promising!
Definitely interested. Especially in redesign concepts for the other pages of DD as well.
 
Ashley.Grenstone at 3:23PM, June 2, 2017
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Mika_yi at 9:31PM, June 2, 2017
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I love the way you guys run the site, it works well all the TOS and the copyright issues. also the idea that there is a big creativity run on the site; adult, sprite, photo images. It's something a lot of places don't have, or have restrictions on. I try to get people to come but they do get the drunk duck is dead, or not functional. so it's kind of hard.

I do think that bigger thumbnails would work with the site, as well as the buttons for ‘just update’ so it's not just the one line of updates. I do like how the feature is set up so you can go see the features.

One thing I think I do notice is the ‘alert’ system. I know you guys said you don't have the money for it, or you are trying to work on it. but from what I read in other places they like to have some sort of alert when their favorites update, or even when they receive a comment; I remember you guys used to have something like that in the control panel that let you see comments, and on what pages.

btw I do enjoy the blogs on the site, it shows a lot of activity and it's easy to see what's going on in forums, or what events are happen on Drunk duck. I love that you guys try to get everyone involved in the site discussions.
thunderdavid at 7:28AM, June 3, 2017
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Jerrie mention some thing I like about it, it's easy to up load and manage your comic.

As for ‘A’ icon, I totally forgot about reason for it.

I'm not a designer but I'll donate cash or bitcoin or Paypal or whatever today's currency is to help out.
Ozoneocean at 9:10AM, June 3, 2017
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Thanks for the vote of confidence guys! :)
I'd like to set up some fund-raising for it, but should we have our designs in place first?
 
Ashley.Grenstone at 9:36PM, June 4, 2017
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http://s3.amazonaws.com/media.drunkduck.com/users/Ashley.Grenstone/assets/Screen%20Shot%202017-06-05%20at%2012.30.07%20AM.png

http://s3.amazonaws.com/media.drunkduck.com/users/Ashley.Grenstone/assets/Screen%20Shot%202017-06-05%20at%2012.30.28%20AM.png

I took a lot of ideas from Ironscarf's concept and added them to what I have so far. Still a work in progress though.
Ozoneocean at 12:58AM, June 5, 2017
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I really like what you've done with the comic thumbnails!
 
thunderdavid at 10:01AM, June 5, 2017
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The Twitter account?
Ashley.Grenstone at 9:53PM, June 5, 2017
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OzoneOcean:

Do you mean the row of comic icons for ‘Updates’ ‘Top Ten’ and ‘Qail’s Random' or do you mean the logos/icons of the twitter, facebook, podcast?

The row of comic icons I really just blatantly co-opted from other concepts shown on the blog post, but ya, I like the idea of condensing the three groups into this overlay. Plus, I think subconsciously, the act of clicking on each category acts as a reward for some people. Like, I anticipate finding out what each tab has in store. I'm sure others feel the opposite - whereas before they had all three groups exposed they have to do more clicking.

I stick to the idea that it's fun to review each section - makes the user interact more with the front page; feels like they have more ownership over what they want to check out; and, that engagement translates into further engagement with the rest of the site.

As for the logo/icons, I love their look and detail, so giving them their own cute spot like that where they can be seen without scrolling down feels right. I might make them bigger so their detail isn't lost because of their current size.
Ashley.Grenstone at 11:29PM, June 5, 2017
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Ozoneocean at 3:29AM, June 6, 2017
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You've thought a lot of it and I love that you have logged in and not logged in options both shown, along with the collapsing menus and the favourites, as well as an indication of news on the top right that I assume is in addition to the full news bellow the features?

Things I personally don't like as much are; the old Drunk Duck background; the site being so encapsulated (as it is now), and not potentially taking advantage of larger screen real-estate that's available now or being able to adjust to a smaller window size.

It's a great design! :D
 
Ironscarf at 4:32AM, June 6, 2017
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Looks good. Definitely try a different backround as this is a reminder of what we want to leave behind. I'd put the egg in that category too: I think a new logo design would be critical to shifting preconceived ideas about the site, but we probably need a whole other thread for it!
 
Ashley.Grenstone at 10:55AM, June 6, 2017
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Awesome, thank you both for the feedback :)


OzoneOcean:

Thanks! And yes that's right, below features I plan on having a section for the news/blog/podcast posts - basically a similar to the features, wherein an image for each new news post (the most recent anyway) is available to click on.

I know what you mean about it being too encapsulated and I agree - I tend to totally tighten up the design more and more as I add stuff so it'll feel good to break loose of the structure a bit. I like the menu drop down system too but I feel it's a little smothering at the moment, so I want to fix that.

The background, okay, and I think like you are saying, a lot of people are wanting to move away from it, which I'm fine with - I use to hate the background because I could never see it, but when I copied it out, I kinda had a bit of a new appreciation for it, lols. Okay, so new background.

I gotta figure out how to better understand screen real-estate and changing size formats - like the do's and don'ts because I imagine as it is now, a person can't technically scale up or down the screen, is that right?
Thanks again for the feedback!

Ironscarf:
Thank you! Okay, definitely different background. Might take me a few tries because I am terrible at being not satisfied with a background design, lols.

I'm actually fond of the idea for a new logo - Like with the bckground, I got a weird new fondness working with it these past few days but outside of that bubble, ya, I totally hate the logo, lols!
Thanks for the feedback too!


Are people split on the name of the website or is there an overwhelming desire to return to ‘DrunkDuck’?
Luccia at 12:51PM, June 6, 2017
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Is the color scheme going to be changed, too? The one used in the picture for the Quackcast looks pretty cool. It's kinda sporty. The green and yellow has always reminded me of corn.
bravo1102 at 8:47PM, June 6, 2017
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Luccia wrote:
Is the color scheme going to be changed, too? The one used in the picture for the Quackcast looks pretty cool. It's kinda sporty. The green and yellow has always reminded me of corn.
And as a child of the 1970s, it reminds me of the avocado and harvest gold craze in house interior decor if that decade. Or my high school colors of green and gold.
Ozoneocean at 9:28PM, June 7, 2017
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I personally prefer Drunk Duck :)
There is one issue with that though:
Drunkduck.com is not controlled by us. It points to our site but that could change and I can't easily fix that if it did. -say if something changed with our hosting.

theduckwebcomics.com IS controlled by us and DDwebcomics.com is owned by me personally, so that's why we flip flop on the name change.

I like “Drunk Duck” as a name, I do not like “The Duck Webcomics”, I think it's a lame compromise.
“DD webcomics” is a GOOD compromise, but having a third name change would be confusing.

We could co-brand with variations of those names though because they all fit us in one way or another.
 
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Ironscarf at 3:11AM, June 8, 2017
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I don't know that a third name change would be any more confusing than having multiple names where nobody is quite sure which is the right one, plus it would send out a decisive message of change.

Also, D is right next to C on most keyboards. People looking for DC would land here is droves! Seriously though, D.D. Webcomics sounds cool to me, especially as you already own it.

We could also own that phrase I keep seeing. The Duck is dead - long live DD Webcomics! I propose a vote.
 
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stinger9 at 1:18PM, June 8, 2017
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DDwebcomics does seem like it'd be a good one to go with as a title although, I don't know how easy it'd be to actually sort out that kind of thing, guessing ideally it'd require some stuff to be migrated (HA!). I never really liked The Duck name change, I mean, a duck just waddles and squarks, who cares about that? Now a drunk duck, that's like the life of the party!
And really, would it be all that confusing a name change? It may confuse a couple of new people at first, but I can't imagine that'd last long! It'd be a good way of bringing the old name back and making it stick.
C'mon, let's liquor up this waterfowl!
Luccia at 5:35PM, June 8, 2017
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I vote yes to DDwebcomics. It sounds cleaner than The Duck Webcomics. TBH, I still call this place Drunk Duck when I tell people about it (then tell them to find it under The Duck Webcomics)
Ashley.Grenstone at 9:13PM, June 8, 2017
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Luccia wrote:
I vote yes to DDwebcomics. It sounds cleaner than The Duck Webcomics. TBH, I still call this place Drunk Duck when I tell people about it (then tell them to find it under The Duck Webcomics)

Same! lol
lba at 3:42PM, June 10, 2017
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I can work on something with my newly-hired web monkey at the studio when I get back from vacation later on this month. I need a project or two for her to work on to expand our portfolio since we're getting into design stuff other than screen printing anyway.

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To be honest, so far as the name goes, ( and I've been thinking on it for a good while. ) I think it might just be time to put the whole ‘duck’ part down for good. Drunk Duck made sense as a name, and was definitely pretty normal for it's time, but now it feels a bit dated, and trying to do riffs on it just doesn't make sense to anyone who doesn't have a sentimental attachment to it.

I think if you keep the Drunk Duck reference, it needs to become something far enough off of Drunk Duck that it sounds like it's own new concept. Like as an example of one way to do it would be to take a line from phone apps and make up a word like Lyft, or stackd, that can still reference the old name as a small sentimental in-joke for old hands ( DeeDee? Dunno. We can work on that. ), but doesn't require an understanding of back story for new visitors. I think DD Webcomics and The Duck just sound nonsensical. It's either that or just take advantage of the fact that by changing the name you lose the old reputation and the site could completely re-invent itself as a totally new brand, sans any past experiences of broken pages, bad code, dying forum or whatever else keeps people away.
bravo1102 at 11:00PM, June 10, 2017
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There is also the problem that is we do go with DDwebcomics the site will somehow get confused with D&D which might actually lead to a legal battle? Or that the site will be somehow thought to consist of nothing but fantasy role-playing campaign rehash comics.

And do we want to be confused with that monolith of role-playing games?

But never, ever give up the idea of a duck. That is just too wonderful a motif going back to the Marx brothers. (Vhy-a-duck? Why not a chicken? Duck soup, the You bet your life Groucho duck)

Anyone ever thought of changing the Duck and Quail into Groucho and Chico doing the Why-a-duck sketch?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v3hjo7V7TPs
Niccea at 7:44AM, June 11, 2017
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Call the site what you wish, but I'll be hosting the Drunk Duck Awards until I'm run out with pitchforks.
Ozoneocean at 2:54AM, June 12, 2017
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Personally I would be against a reinvention. We could as easily start a whole new site then I think, rather than leverage the Drunk Duck history, such as it is.

I like history and maintaining a visible, living link to roots.
So I'm for DDwebcomics more than anything… If we co-opt D&D brand recognition that's fine with me, but I don't think it's likely.
I like that “DD” can mean many things, while “webcomics” is explicit and straight forward.
 
thunderdavid at 8:13AM, June 13, 2017
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Sorry to ask this question but what was reason behind name “Duck” for the site?
Ozoneocean at 10:35AM, June 13, 2017
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This is a bad, miss-remembered retelling… here goes:
At some time in 2001 I think, Dylan Squires' friend had a duck in his apartment, but the duck sadly died…
Anyway, to commemorate the amazing ex-duck he created a website. It was to be called “deadduck.com” but that was already taken so he called it drunkduck instead, which is what the poor dead duck looked like.

It hosted webcomics! Well before the rest of these webtoons, tapastic, comicfury, whatevers… I think the only other host around at the time was Keenspace, but they weren't that easy to use and kept going down all the time.
 
Banes at 3:19PM, June 13, 2017
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If drunkduck can be taken away, that says to me that we should bid a sad farewell to that name. DDWebcomics sounds good, and if it sets is free from the overlords, it's the right move.

I tip my hat with great affection for that soused mallard, though!



Mika_yi at 11:11AM, June 14, 2017
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I like the name as it is. I actually liked drunk duck over the duck. Just sounded better. And it was easy to remember. Stuck out from everyone else out there. Which made it fun to say DD comicsor drunk duck comics. Admittly keenspace was the first place I started and then drunk duck till the great crash, although I had to make a new account because I was getting stalked by someone who used to be on this site so much so I had to create a new one.

But I still stay here cause you guys maybe small and quite but community wise you guys make it wonderful place. So I stayed here longer than any other site I been on. Even if I don't say much.

In that, I will forever call the site drunk duck

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