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Do you have sexual fantasies with fictional characters?
kawaiidaigakusei at 6:54PM, Aug. 27, 2024
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bravo1102 wrote:
I've known enough real people where that has never been a thing for me. I mean I lusted after Jennifer Connelly in Labyrinth but it was Jennifer Connelly not her character.
I remember telling someone this online and they said I was a dirty old man because she's a teenager. Then I told them that Jennifer Connelly and I are nearly the same age in real life.

As for my own fictional characters, they're often based on people I've known and elements of past loves are in there so you could say I took care of the lust before I turned them into a fictional
character. XD 😁😉

Now if you only knew how many female creators lusted after Jareth. I was in a writers forum and many of the members where young women and they all loved Jareth.



I concur with the Jareth comment only because of the ballroom dance scene and the scene when the song “As the World Falls Down” plays at the end and not because of the gray pants Bowie was wearing during “Dance, Magic, Dance” which friends made comments about in sixth grade. It is probably because Jareth is the Goblin King, not some lowly goblin peon. He also makes that great speech where he talks about showing Sarah her dreams and how he will be her slave, yadda yadda yadda.

In truth, like many girls in the eighties, I looked up to Sarah, played by Jennifer Connelly, as a role model because she was an older teen at the time. The entire, “You have no Power over me” speech was empowering and I even recited it to myself when faced with a difficult teacher in school. Connelly later went on to act in some very exciting roles like the Rocketeer, Inventing the Abbotts, and Requiem for a Dream. (The latter of the three left me completely devastated when I watched it as a nineteen year old college freshman because she was an actress I had looked up to my entire life. I finally rewatched the film recently and I appreciate she did not limit herself to films like Labyrinth, but made an artistic risk that went beyond the expectations of films in the early 2000s.)

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To respond to the original topic of this thread—-

“Sexual Fantasies with Fictional Characters”

I can speak about the main male protagonist in my own comic, Kawaii Daigakusei, who shows up around comic #138. It was Summer of 2007 at the time the comic was created. I was enrolled in a summer writing class and had one quarter left before graduating early, I was single and still had not met the man I was going to marry at twenty-two, so I wrote a character that embodied all the hopes and dreams of the type of person I would have absolutely loved to have dated and fallen in love with while in college. It was therapeutic, really, it became an ideal of “The One” or a person who could really fit into the world of the female protagonist.

Eventually the character I had created became a blueprint for the qualities I was lacking in my own life, in example, the male protagonist is an architect, so in my mid-twenties, I enrolled in an architectural design program so I would not necessarily need someone who was an architect since I learned how to draw up floor plans myself.

Sexual fantasies with fictional characters is a whole other ball game. While the early days of the Internet left virtually nothing for the imagination when I would research Tuxedo Mask, cartoon characters were all about personality and charisma and were more suitable as a crush. They are very two-dimensional (made up of a voice actor and an illustrator) and not exactly as easy to fantasize as a real human being.

Easy fictional crushes from my youth: Michelangelo from TMNT; Tuxedo Mask/Darien from Sailor Moon; Tatewaki Kuno from Ranma 1/2; Squall Leonhart from FF8; Heero Yuy from Gundam Wing; and Vincent Valentine from FF7.
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takoyama at 1:47AM, Jan. 6, 2025
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I never did, I guess my imagination isnt that good? too many real life people around to fantasize about.

I've seen sexy drawn characters in cartoons and comics and mags and they never did that much for me past me thinking someone drew boobs.

as pretty as I try to draw my characters I dont particularly feel any sexual attraction for them.
lothar at 9:29AM, Jan. 6, 2025
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Nope, can't say that I have ever
J_Scarbrough at 11:57AM, Jan. 6, 2025
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lothar wrote:
Nope, can't say that I have ever


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bravo1102 at 2:10AM, Jan. 7, 2025
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Writing about something doesn't mean you fantasize about it. Writing about a megalomaniac bent on world Conquest doesn't mean you wish you were a megalomaniac bent on world Conquest. Some can write about sex without putting themselves in the scenario. Some fantasize about their characters and create them as wish fulfilling icons. Others just write about people.

I really wouldn't want to live in most of the worlds I've created. I really don't want to meet let alone have a sexual relationship with some of the characters I've created. Thing is I actually have in some cases and it was not fun.
lothar at 5:39AM, Jan. 7, 2025
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Wait what? Bravo, you met your characters in RL ? Tha-phuuuuk????
bravo1102 at 5:58AM, Jan. 7, 2025
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lothar wrote:
Wait what? Bravo, you met your characters in RL ? Tha-phuuuuk????
The personality traits and behavior are usually based on people I've known. It's not that I've met battle girls and grey aliens, I've known people who act like that.

But I have met a lot of fucked up people. XD
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marcorossi at 8:17AM, Jan. 7, 2025
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deleted because I realized I already said this in the previous page
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fallopiancrusader at 4:14PM, Jan. 7, 2025
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When I was eight, I had a huge crush on Josie and the pussycats.
marcorossi at 12:39PM, Jan. 8, 2025
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To answer to the question of the thread: yes, but never with my charachters.

I think I had my first erection as a kid thinking to either Teela or Sorceress from the MOTU.
J_Scarbrough at 9:56AM, March 13, 2025
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I seem to have discovered quite a great, big, fat, honkin' double standard here, but I suppose I shouldn't be the least bit surprised about it. Basically, if guys have fictional waifus, it's creepy, disturbing, they need some serious help or jail time (or both) . . . if girls have fictional husbandos, it's perfectly okay, nothing to get worked up over, and even encouraged.

Yeah. . . .

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Ozoneocean at 8:11PM, March 13, 2025
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J_Scarbrough wrote:
I seem to have discovered quite a great, big, fat, honkin' double standard here
Is there really?
Maybe it's just that it's more socially acceptable for men to talk about that stuff so there's more of us comfortably chatting about it- which means we're more likely to face criticism.

It's less socially acceptable for women talk about because men make a huge deal when they DO- either we get pervy and hypercritical or overly protective which makes it uncomfortable.


I think opinions based on the acceptability of a person having sexual fantasies about fictional characters are not based on the gender of the person.

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It's important to realise that a lot of the “double standards” men face are usually imposed on men by other men. XD
lothar at 9:03PM, March 13, 2025
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“HUSBANDOs” lol
InkyMoondrop at 10:16AM, March 14, 2025
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No, I think Scarbrough is right. Sure, if you're 20 and still a virgin, people think there's something seriously wrong with you, regardless of gender and sure, sometimes you see people ridiculing women who are into Twilight or 50 shades, spend their time writing romantic / erotic fanfiction that they're catladies and all, but it's mostly about their idealized fictional partners being extremely handsome AND wealthy AND great in bed, etc, so not just about the fact that they fancy a fictional character or two. On the other hand men having preferences for fictional women are widely being thought of as loser incels, who are misogynistic and are simply nowhere near relationship material. Whenever I see an article pop up about japanese men who collect figurines and have body pillows instead of girlfriends, the reactions are always how pathetic and ridiculous they are, that something is wrong with them. Sure, the entertainment industry, especially in Japan is hugly responsible for this level of alienation and obsession and the depression that comes with it, living like a hermit to the point where you can't even provide for yourself is unhealthy. Maybe it's harder to get and maintain a relationship as a woman if you're into fictional characters, I wouldn't know. But it's definitely harder to get a date to begin with as a man if you're open about it.

And body shaming men about their sizes is still so much more accepted in society than body shaming women. No wonder the Jordan Petersons and Andrew Tates get to prey on these “weaklings”. It's not one of those double standards we can just put on toxic masculinity or the patriarchy, women very much have their preferences that feeds into this.
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J_Scarbrough at 11:53AM, March 14, 2025
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There actually is an interesting connection between TWILIGHT and 50 SHADES OF GRAY: 50 SHADES OF GRAY was literally just TWILIGHT porn fanfiction with the characters' names changed. No, seriously, it's true, look it up.

But yeah, I would go there too: it does seem there is less of a stigma on women who are into any sort of erotic fiction than there is men . . . come to think of it, as far as societal standards are concerned, there is also something of a reverse effect as well: if men are sexually promiscuous, they're the champs; if women are sexually promiscuous, they're the sluts and hoes. There was also the societal norm even further back that it was expected for the bride to still be a virgin on her wedding night as that meant she saved herself specifically for her husband, but it didn't really matter much at all if the groom wasn't a virgin, because that showed he had experience and knew what he was doing. Yeah, okay. . . .

Still, getting back to my previous point, yeah, it's so strange seeing a girl I follow on Instagram being showered with all kinds of support and encouragement from other followers over a fictional husbando of hers - who isn't even human (and keep in mind, she has been in a committed relationship, and is even engaged to her longtime boyfriend), but I and other dudes I know with waifus who aren't even human, yeah, we're the freaks, creeps, and pervs.

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InkyMoondrop at 12:21PM, March 14, 2025
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if men are sexually promiscuous, they're the champs; if women are sexually promiscuous, they're the sluts and hoes.

That's legit. And of course the paradox of fathers and their daughters: all boys want is sex, while sons get encouraged. There's a whole bunch of these nasty double standards affecting people to various degrees.
InkyMoondrop at 12:52PM, March 14, 2025
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but I and other dudes I know with waifus who aren't even human, yeah, we're the freaks, creeps, and pervs.

Ryan Gosling had at least 3 different movies where his partner technically wasn't human. (Lars and the Real Girl, Blade Runner 2049, Barbie). Although I don't recall him being portrayed as a goog guy while this being portrayed as healthy long-term in any of them. Some roleplayers and anime fans probably get it. I don't think it makes anyone a freak, a creep or a perv. The artistic community is filled with people who ship their own OCs with this and that, probably not without some level of emotional investment. But I'm not sure what reactions you're hoping for from the general public. If you came to this conclusion because of some recent experience you've had… I'm not familiar with instagram, but I do think outside of this place a lot of people use social media just to get thrills from being mean.

If someone spends their time going around being mean to random male strangers for this… I'd say it's clear which of you are doing better at life.
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J_Scarbrough at 1:06PM, March 14, 2025
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Oh man, I almost forgot about LARS AND THE REAL GIRL. And there's another interesting example too: the “real girl” in that movie only ever got into the movies because somebody from Hollywood just happened to be at a party she was at, thought she was cute, and gave her his number if she was ever interested in being in the movies. That was it.

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bravo1102 at 5:40AM, March 15, 2025
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People got no fucking clue what healthy sexual expression is. So they get all wound up about stereotypes and lifestyles they know very little about and make assumptions, believe lies and hooked on an obsolete morality that was stodgy and old fashioned one hundred years ago. Or completely go off the deep end because they find excuses not to develop social skills as opposed to actually developing social skills and coping mechanisms. Don't know about something? Ridicule it. Right. Try it, you'll like it.

There's a reason they're called social skills. Like any skill they have to be learned and practiced. Some are more talented with them than others, but it is a skill set like playing basketball or welding or doing webcomics. You learn and practice. Sure some will always be awful and hard and sure you'll never be in the NBA or a celebrity so just do the best you can and then maybe even push that best a little further next time.

Sexual fantasy is quite healthy. Writing and reading erotica is not perverted. Sexual play is okay between consenting adults so far as no one gets hurt. There's a reason humans enjoy copulating so much. Pornography is as old as human expression. The best cure for a headache is an orgasm. They also help with body aches and pains and ejaculating three times a week promotes prostate health. We're that third species of chimpanzee somewhere between uptight hierarchal chimps and promiscuous bonobos.

Sometimes the biggest problem in your life is you. Get out of your own way and just live. Like Auntie Mame said, life is a banquet and most people are starving themselves to death.

And I've been married and faithful to my wife for thirty years. But I ain't dead.
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Ozoneocean at 7:10PM, March 16, 2025
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Ah you bunch of pervs hahaha! -JOKING

Regardless, the biggest issue with this (I think), is men criticising other men.
Because if you're NOT a “stud” or feel that you're lacking, you can still achieve status points by attacking other men and putting them lower than you on the virility scale.

We don't do this to women because it harms our chances with them, even if logically there's no possibility of having a chance with those women.
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Ozoneocean wrote:
Ah you bunch of pervs hahaha! -JOKING

Regardless, the biggest issue with this (I think), is men criticising other men.
Because if you're NOT a “stud” or feel that you're lacking, you can still achieve status points by attacking other men and putting them lower than you on the virility scale.

We don't do this to women because it harms our chances with them, even if logically there's no possibility of having a chance with those women.

Men don't do this to women they find attractive, but the rest is often subject to criticism. Needless to say, by fucking jerks, but they are. And while we're at it: both women and men can be terrible on public transport. You only hear about the “manspreading” and how rude it is to women. It's not. It's rude to everyone. Other men can't sit down either because some cocky bastard thinks he'll display dominance while getting comfortable on his way to a the club or whatever. Similarly: women tend to (a lot more often than men) put their bags, even if they're light as a feather on the seat next to them just to avoid anyone sitting down there. I don't care how most are rationalizing this with biases that men are unpleasant and dangerous (the “reason” women can have their own shelters and dorms in hostels all around the world, so even if there are available beds, men are refused accommodation, because the fear of men is so ingrained into our society that challenging it is not even an option anymore), it's a shitty thing to do and other women can't sit down either. Maybe you're an introvert who doesn't want anyone near them but can't afford anything other than the public transport… but still, people shouldn't need to ask your permission to get a seat you're not sitting on. And gentlemen… spreading your legs like that on the bus or subway or whatever only makes you slightly better than the one playing music loud or having a yellfest on speaker phone. That's not a great position to hold.
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I always felt that “manspreading” was an open invitation to being hit in the crotch.
WHAM
The guy shrinks up from the blow and there's now plenty of room.

I'm often the first man to offer up his seat to someone more in need of it than me. Lead by example and others will get the hint. But that's me. In fact, real men usually surrender their seats and don't take up more than they need to. It's the insecure wannabes that are selfish. I may be insecure but I've been there and done that and being nice isn't hard and one day someone will be nice to you.

It's amazing that if people pick up on you being a nice person, you often get things in return. Be an asshole and you bring everyone down. Matter of fact if you're in a crappy mood performing a random act of kindness and seeing a smile or hearing a thank you and that crappy mood is a lot less crappy. Amazing how that works.
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Andreas_Helixfinger at 10:54PM, March 17, 2025
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Holy shit! This thread still going?😄😄😄

Anyway, my plan right now, is to finnish this final script I'm making that puts everything together. Everything readers have seen from the comics I've posted, the entire setting that's been on my mind and is finally coming together now. Once I've done that I'm gonna start making time for other things, while still working the comics of course.

I need to get out again! I actually used to have quite a rich social life throughout my twenties. But I pushed all of that away for the sake of focusing on the storywriting. After six years, now in my mid-thirties. I've come to the conclusion that it's only worth so much, no matter how intoxicating the process of it may be.
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bravo1102 at 4:03AM, March 18, 2025
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Andreas_Helixfinger wrote:
Holy shit! This thread still going?😄😄😄

This thing went off the rails awhile ago. Might as well go further off on a tangent.
takoyama at 10:48PM, May 12, 2025
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I had even tried to reason with Kyo, offering to stay off of the forum of my own volition to make people feel better, if he would at least allow me to continue to host VAMPIRE GIRL on CF as I had planned to (already spent months designing and building the website for the comic), but he wouldn't give me an answer to that one way or another. I feel like with their huge reader base that I probably would have gotten much more exposure on CF (the reruns of the original strips that were previously published on Smack Jeeves got great attention), but I'm still happy that I've gotten the traffic I have here; my comic went virtually unnoticed on SJ back in the day, so I'm just glad I was able to reach people and give them something they enjoyed here.

Anyway, I apologize for hijacking the thread and driving it off-topic like that; like I said, as long as we had a thread like this, I wanted to just finally break my silence about all of this. Now, if you all will excuse me, I think I'll go make some cream pies with Luan while she gives me a squirt from her flower. . . .



Um . . . why is Chris Hansen at my door?

See? Not to be taken seriously.


I'm glad you had the pictures to back up your statements or we would have had a freaky threes company level misunderstanding here lol
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takoyama wrote:
I'm glad you had the pictures to back up your statements or we would have had a freaky threes company level misunderstanding here lol

I take it you're refering to this classic scene, lol.

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ambrosiarex at 11:17AM, May 13, 2025
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I don't fantasize about fictional characters in my comic but I do think about them in sexual situations for use in my comic (well future use a so far there is one sex scene https://www.theduckwebcomics.com/Danger_Love/5794207/ ).

I don't know… maybe that DOES count as fantasizing! I will admit the main character is based off someone I use to know.
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Ozoneocean at 6:49PM, May 14, 2025
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-Manspreading-

You know the dumb thing about that is it's never “domminant” men that do it. It's dumb young men with nothing much in their lives or older men who are near the bottom of the ladder. Things like spreading are all they have. There's no dominance.
While the rest of us do better in every way and just want to have a comfortable ride on public transport to get from A to B and let everyone else around us be comfy too, those morons are cosplaying their own limited pathetic pretend version of dominance in the only part of their sad little lives they can briefly get away with it.
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My first crush was on a voice, not a character. I realized this only because I was feeling that stupid warm feeling at Cats Don't Dance just as much as Quantum Leap and yes, even Bakula's role in Murphy Brown (which was a terrible character, imo).😆

The only other fictional crush I can think of is Detective Takagi in Detective Conan. He's a sweet unlucky underdog but with this amazing strength under the surface. He inspired one of my Used Books characters. Oh, and I crushed on the (Japanese) voice pretty hard. Turns out he's a prolific Japanese voice actor, so I started watching other things he voiced. I loved the character, but it turned into another voice crush. 😆

I think of myself as on the ace/demi spectrum, but voices affect me in weird ways. Lol.

Never really fantasizing, though. Not sexual, maybe romantic? My own characters have appeared in my dreams but not in sexy ways. Sometimes in scary ways. 😬

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