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bravo1102 at 9:23PM, June 20, 2016
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Some of these youtube critics try too hard to be like MST3K. Forget it. Do your own shtick and keep it fresh. A lot of performers know when to leave well enough alone but then the fans insist they keep to the same worn out routine.


And then everything went wrong. My favorite enamel paint is no longer being exported to the US? Something to do with the Royal Mail and the shipment of chemicals. And my glasses break and I can't find my spare pair, and I have cataracts and I spill the paint I can't get any more of.


And all that happens after I overcame a terrible bout of depression that had kept me bedridden for two days.
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Lonnehart at 2:04PM, June 21, 2016
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Ugh. Can't do any game recording with Subnautica without my computer giving me a BSOD. Recording gameplay really does stress the computer out, so anyone who's doing it either has great recording software, or a really beefy machine to record with. I can record for a few minutes before it happens, though… Maybe I should limit record time? hmm…


Maybe I should just record the section where you're out there in the alien ocean, watching as the ship you escaped from explodes… for some reason I find that an awesome sight to behold…
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Ozoneocean at 9:18PM, June 21, 2016
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@Lonne- get one of those video capture card things. That should do it ok. That's what people are doing these days.

@Bravo- Yeah, bad things all seem to happen together when you're down.
Man, my friend Bianka weaves every bad thing that happens to her into one giant grand conspiracy by the “universe”…
Depression does that.
I can tell her “no, that stuff is normal and happens all the time, that thing happened because that happened and you did this and that when I told you not to, and you had a great time then and then and things worked out this time and that…”
But the depressive condition makes it's own version of reality that edits out all the good stuff and makes the bad stuff the highlights that're all connected, no matter what.

Which isn't just a negative way of looking at things, it also affects your choices and directs you to along bad paths that make things worse.
bravo1102 at 10:39PM, June 21, 2016
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Except that I got over the bout of melancholy and then everything went wrong. I just sort of sat back and watched. I hadn't made any poor choices, they were all accidents. The stress on the metal finally broke the frame of my glasses, my hand slipped while stirring the paint, the Royal Mail getting heat from environmentalists over enamel paint, things really beyond my control. But we'll within the law of averages. But they all happened within the same six hours. But knowing the law of averages, when events clump up like that, it should be smooth sailing for a time afterward.


Cognitive Behavioral Therapy teaches you that. Keeps me from being like Bianca and “catastrophizing” or making broad statements. Like “everything” “always”, “every time”

And my wife is always there to remind me when I do over generalize.
Ozoneocean at 12:00AM, June 22, 2016
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Yes, when bad things seem to clump together for me I try and take a mental step back and think if they really are clumping or if it's just how I'm looking at it, or if my own self is the common factor…
And if I can rule those out (though it's SUPER hard to rule out the first one completely!), then I just think “huh…” and do as you do: must be a weird bunching.

But ironically natural bunches of bad luck like that can set you off being depressed again, make you more likely to make a dodgy decision, and cause more bad luck.
For example:
-Like suddenly investing a lot of money in an alternative source of paints… that turns out not to be legit, but you weren't in a state to investigate properly so you lose all that cash.
Or you buy some cheap replacement frames and get the lenses from the old glasses put in there, only to have those ones break right away and lose the lenses this time as well.

-That is the kind of stuff Bianka would do, ALL the time.
bravo1102 at 1:39AM, June 22, 2016
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You're catastrophizing. Making a small setback into a major catastrophe and ramping up that to an eleven.


When you are hanging from the seat belt harness in an overturned burning car, half blinded by blood with broken glass all around, then and only then tell me about how awful things are.
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Ozoneocean at 7:10AM, June 22, 2016
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That's not catastrophizing man, I'm just pointing out scenarios that people can get into because they're down that can cause them to think the world is against them in a magical sort of way, when in reality there were more understandable factors at play.
And that is how my friend Bianka went from disaster to disaster.
Lonnehart at 8:50AM, June 22, 2016
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My current Subnautica sea base. Sure it's not deep in the ocean, but I get lots of solar power and it's close to the escape pod I started out in. I will be building more than one though…

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bravo1102 at 4:45PM, June 22, 2016
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ozoneocean wrote:
That's not catastrophizing man, I'm just pointing out scenarios that people can get into because they're down that can cause them to think the world is against them in a magical sort of way, when in reality there were more understandable factors at play.
And that is how my friend Bianka went from disaster to disaster.

And the psychological term for that is catastrophizing. It's in the literature. I've had mental health care professionals telling me about it for decades. It is linked to self destructive behavior and self fulfilling prophecy. You catastrophize about the worst happening and it does because you subconsciously caused it to happen.
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Ozoneocean at 6:22PM, June 22, 2016
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Hahaha, but I'm NOT doing that man. XP
Those aren't “worse case scenarios” that I'm thinking up for myself or anyone, rather I'm giving relatable examples of the sorts of things that DID happen to my friend because of poor decision making.

It's a completely different thing.
Lonnehart at 10:17PM, June 22, 2016
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Hey, Ozone. I hope you don't mind. Couldn't think of a more appropriate name for the Cyclops. It'll be a while before I actually take it anywhere as it needs hull upgrades first. Hopefully to increase the thing's crush depth to 1400 meters…



Aand the OzoneOcean's first action. To get me close enough to the exploded Aurora (the ship I escaped from at the beginning of the game) so I can seal the radiation leaks in the reactor room. Even the area's most dangerous creature would have a hard time with the OzoneOcean. :)

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bravo1102 at 11:49PM, June 22, 2016
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ozoneocean wrote:
Hahaha, but I'm NOT doing that man. XP
Those aren't “worse case scenarios” that I'm thinking up for myself or anyone, rather I'm giving relatable examples of the sorts of things that DID happen to my friend because of poor decision making.

It's a completely different thing.

Maybe so. But I have seen it in others as a part of the a pathology of a pattern of behavior. It sucks, but it is. Lots of people make bad decisions just so they can feel miserable about them later. And then there are people who feel driven to make a poor decision because their friends tell them not to do it.

Peoples is funny.

Guess what, I have cataracts! Well I have known that for years. But my right eye is finally operable. So no getting new glasses until after the surgery. They put in a whole new lens now so the vision in my right eye could be fully corrected. Maybe I could start wearing a monocle.




Genejoke at 12:41AM, June 24, 2016
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Well it seems the UK has decided to go it alone and leave the EU… Worrying.

bravo1102 at 1:50AM, June 24, 2016
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Genejoke wrote:
Well it seems the UK has decided to go it alone and leave the EU… Worrying.



The EU is just another name for German European hegemony. What they failed to do with weapons 100 and 75 years ago they've succeeded in doing with economics.

Or at least that's what some would have you believe. So Britain needs to go it alone… again.
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Genejoke at 1:57AM, June 24, 2016
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bravo1102 wrote:
Genejoke wrote:
Well it seems the UK has decided to go it alone and leave the EU… Worrying.



The EU is just another name for German European hegemony. What they failed to do with weapons 100 and 75 years ago they've succeeded in doing with economics.

Or at least that's what some would have you believe. So Britain needs to go it alone… again.

Quite… it's unknown territories which would be less worrying but who know who will be steering the ship.
Ironscarf at 8:49AM, June 24, 2016
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All the old gits have voted us out and all the youger voters who didn't want it now have to live with it. The same people who got unlimited jobs, cheap foreign holidays, early retirement and generous pensions are stitching us up because they hate foreigners and think we are going to stop immigration.

That can't happen of course, but they believe it because politicians are afraid to tell the truth.
Ozoneocean at 9:58AM, June 24, 2016
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bravo1102 wrote:
Maybe I could start wearing a monocle.
Don't even joke about it. Get one!
I bought two from Ebay… but gave one away. :(

You can get them in different magnifications. You'd love them. They're great fun to wear!


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Exactly right Scarf. Fair enough if the country really does want to leave the Union, but it was mainly driven by xenophobia and nationalism, which are the wrong reasons.
ashtree house at 3:56PM, June 24, 2016
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Ugh, I work in a foreign exchange office. Everyone is buying GBP and we ran out of cash stock. Everyone is wiring, everyone is buying drafts, it's been non stop all day.
bravo1102 at 7:32PM, June 24, 2016
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In a democracy one of the most effective ways to sell something to the voters is to appeal to their emotions. Not a calm rational argument but xenophobia, nationalism, fear, tradition and so on.

So a lot of times and electorate will make the right vote for all the wrong reasons.

Traditionally and historically, Britain has been against single power domination of Continental Europe. Joining the EU was the break from tradition. I remember one editorial saying Britain joining the EU was merely a case of “if you can't beat'em join'em”

It'll take two years or more for the UK to get out so there's nothing really overnight earth shattering about this. Any market action is a flutter and not permanent. And then there's the simple fact that the EU has a large trade surplus with the UK. They are a valuable market for the EU and you just don't let that walk away no matter how anti social xenophobic they want to be. ;-)
Ozoneocean at 11:04PM, June 24, 2016
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There are other sides to it though than the long-view Barvo.
I have a Bulgarian friend there at the moment who's been travelling through the country. The climate surrounding the exit vote and most especially the victory has made life there intolerable for her and many foreign people- she can't wait to get out.

This is a massive endorsement for the white rights type parties and candidates. They can use this as a beachhead for more erosions of people's rights and make it a lot easier to promote their agenda.
bravo1102 at 11:52PM, June 24, 2016
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There are other sides to it though than the long-view Barvo.
I have a Bulgarian friend there at the moment who's been travelling through the country. The climate surrounding the exit vote and most especially the victory has made life there intolerable for her and many foreign people- she can't wait to get out.

This is a massive endorsement for the white rights type parties and candidates. They can use this as a beachhead for more erosions of people's rights and make it a lot easier to promote their agenda.

Appeal to emotions. Hate is a very powerful emotion. It's so easy to point to an immigrant and say “he stole your job” without knowing the years of work and sacrifice and support from friends and relatives it took for him to get there. You don't see all the ones still in jobless poverty in the home country so proud of the tiny success he made.

Or another who left everything they ever knew to enter an alien world all alobe seeking any opportunities because at home there is nothing.

It's so easy to resent that because you were here and took for granted what they had to cross half the world to get a chance at. The immigrants may just work longer and harder because they don't take things for granted.

But you know not taking a long view is what is missing from most hate groups. They don't know about know-nothings hating the Irish 200 years ago. Irish are mainstream now. They don't know about how early Pennsylvania was terrified of vanishing in a sea of Germans. Now one third of all Americans have German heritage and there is no Balkanization of Pennsylvania.

Long view gets you over the temporary race baiting to see that groups have always mixed and assimilated. Don't go on about future diversity, but tell them of the diversity that got them where they are. Your homogeneous group came from a great many heterogeneous groups.
Ironscarf at 8:25AM, June 25, 2016
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ozoneocean wrote:
There are other sides to it though than the long-view Barvo.
I have a Bulgarian friend there at the moment who's been travelling through the country. The climate surrounding the exit vote and most especially the victory has made life there intolerable for her and many foreign people- she can't wait to get out.

This is a massive endorsement for the white rights type parties and candidates. They can use this as a beachhead for more erosions of people's rights and make it a lot easier to promote their agenda.

What's most worrying is these people now feel they have a mandate and when they finally work out immigration is not going to stop and their imaginary England is not going to return, all hell will break loose. Frightening times.
Genejoke at 9:59AM, June 25, 2016
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Or… those people will get angry and come the next general election ukip will win and then Nigel Farage will build death camps for non whites.
bravo1102 at 4:51PM, June 25, 2016
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Or… those people will get angry and come the next general election ukip will win and then Nigel Farage will build death camps for non whites.

They're already there next to the FEMA camps for wrong thinking Americans that Obama built. Or was it G.W. Bush?

Don't worry Trump will help you reinstall all the beach barricades you have left over from stopping the Nazis. He'll get Mexico to pay for that too.

American tourism will probably surge because it sounds like the UK is becoming just like the US.
Genejoke at 11:47PM, June 25, 2016
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Just without the guns.
bravo1102 at 12:57AM, June 26, 2016
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Just without the guns.

That's what they said in the last couple of mass shootings over here, just before the nut opened fire.

Guns free Zone equals Free fire zone to the one with the gun.

Someone who wants to kill will always find a way. There have always been mass killings. And the worst of them have been done without guns.
Jeremy Ray at 1:37AM, June 26, 2016
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Genejoke wrote:
Just without the guns.

I suspect, within twenty years, formerly gun-abhorrent Europeans will be begging America for guns.
Genejoke at 2:12AM, June 26, 2016
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gun free zones are worse than useless when guns are freely available.

Man with murder on his mind and gun at his hip walks into a college to kill people and sees a sign saying “no guns”. On seeing that taking a gun into his chosen kill zone would be illegal the man decides he he should go home and get some therapy.

Yeah, I can see that happening.

There hasn't been many mass killings over here, with or without guns. A guy with a sword isn't going to be as effective as a guy with a gun and home made bombs… well we've been lucky I guess.
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Ozoneocean at 2:29AM, June 26, 2016
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I think you don't quite get the “gun free zone” thing.
the benefit is that it allows people to be legally stopped from carrying a gun into the place- So you have at least one barrier against people being killed.

Shootings are unlikely to ever be stopped by a “good guy” with a gun unless that “good guy” as extensive training that's up to date AND they're cool under pressure- which is a combo that almost never happens with normal people. If there's ever a “good guy” it's usually an off-duty police person.

The cold hard fact is that less guns mean less mass killings.

There are people that go on rampages with knives and cars etc, but compared to guns those things are laughable, you have to have specialised circumstances for a big body count and those are piss easy to defend against and escape from. Try doing that with bullets and I'll laugh at you.
Even bombs and nerve gas require FAR more careful planning and special circumstances. Nothing in the world is as easy, cheap, simple, and effective to use for that as a gun.
Genejoke at 3:08AM, June 26, 2016
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Shootings are unlikely to ever be stopped by a “good guy” with a gun unless that “good guy” as extensive training that's up to date AND they're cool under pressure- which is a combo that almost never happens with normal people. If there's ever a “good guy” it's usually an off-duty police person.

I think Plymayer could find an example of just that thing happening.

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