Make stuff up? How about doing something concrete:

RedBaron - can you do something about the dead who insist on talking?

Ochitsukanai
EDIT: What, Hakoshen, you want me to ignore the clues? The clues are all we have, so I'm gonna keep trying, at least. While we still have the majority, we have to make this lynch count.

Of course I don't want you to ignore the clues. What I'm saying is the clues we had for the first killings led to two dead townies, and as of yet, no one has really volunteered any evidence suggesting who they might belong to instead. What I want is for all of us to do a better job of analyzing them.

At this rate, the way we are going, we're going to kill all the townies ourselves and the mafia will just clean up.

I am looking at the first night's narrative in conjunction with the second night's narrative!

I looked at the waff clue again and saw that it could potentially fit in with the current LoS clue. With multiple occurrences of similar clues over time, which I've tried to illustrate, it's more damning evidence than an analysis of just one of the current clues, a great deal of which must be red herrings.

The recurrence of German names and the motif of coldness repeated multiple times within each clue should indicate the same killer, and I still believe that it's going to be cool guy for the aforementioned reasons. Frankly, we have no other leads with a similar long-term value, and clues that don't recur by the night are much likelier to be red herrings.

In brief, I tried to find a clue that recurs so that our chances will be surer…

That's exactly it. I saw Ochy's clue solving and pointed it out!

So Hakoshen will make a crap mayor: He ignored not ONE, but TWO posts that were about clue solving in order to promote his own agenda of “oh no, no one knows anyting, vote me and stay confused, we have to kill someone but no one knows anything…”

Besides, he's blocked at work so he will only be available some of the time- whereas I AM at work now AND playing

Vote me Mayor!

So far it looks like Cool Guy could be a killer. -But he could be the vigilante…

The only thing I can do about dead talking is ask nicely, after that it is up to the Admins

Ok. Well. I'll take a whack at it.


Please vote for Niccea again! Or you can vote for Ozone. I don't care. I have some trust in the guy.

Vote for Ody for mayor

Niccea is just a “Me too” candidate.

People people People, I AM THE VIGILANTE. And if we loose the game, its probably because of me :(
Waff's killing, I did it after rolling a 20 sided die. And I also killed leader of stars. If you look at Waff's clue there is snow and refrences to the murderer being dead, well in the signup thread, people were questioning my existence so I said “I am very much alive…”.

The los killing was also done in a random decision, after he started annoying me in the forum. The clues says something about the killer loosing and a refrence to my avi with the medal.

Now I expect you people not to belive me, dou to the fact that no one is trustworthy but that's what happens in this kind of games. Even though somebody steps up and says “I did it” it could be a total joke. Now with this statement of mine I have become a large target for both townies and mafia alike so I am willing to take full responsibility to my action, whether it means me getting lynched or not!

So with that out of the way lets look at the other clues shall we?

the2ndredbaron
But I just was freed why would you come after me! Yelled Product Placement as he ran down an alley. I just want to live.
Sorry someone is paying me good money to make sure your dead. And I like money. Said the figure chasing PP.
But I though Pysch Majors where above money! said PP as he tripped and fell.
Oh I do suppose I enjoy a good mystery every now and then. Said the figure as PP was stabbed. And Stabbed. And stabbed. Jeez I think he is dead.
Shut up Narrator! Yelled the figured as PP lay bleeding on the floor.

Product Placement, the Townie, was stabbed a bunch of times and died.

Crocty was sitting in his office signing papers and eating his nightly Bagel. He sighed at his work load. The job of the Mayor is never done. When suddenly a bright red light appeared on his head. What is this mysterious light? Pondered Crocty. Suddenly a shot rang out and a bullet hit Crocty right in the head. Crocty fell to the floor. Thank goodness Crocty was wearing his helmet or else that bullet would have killed him. Oh, wait a minute he wasn't wearing his helmet. Well that sucks. The bullet did kill Crocty.
From across the street and man in darkness said Got him that time, practice makes perfect.

Crocty the Mayor is dead.

Dukat the Paramedic was running across town after being told by Crocty to go protect someone else. Dukat turned the corner and suddenly was pounced on by someone else.
Genndy Tartakovsky? asked Dukat.
Not really. Said the person before he stabbed poor Dukat in the face.

Dukat the Paramedic is dead.

Harkovast knew he shouldn't go out tonight but he heard that there was a deal going on at the corner store. He walked into the shop and saw a sign saying FREE SODA. Grabbing a sprite he walked up to the counter.
Free soda, that's random. Said Hark.
So is this. Said the mafia guy disguised as a worker in the corner store as he pulled out a gun and shot Harkovast.

Harkovast the Paranoid is dead.

Product placement his killing was done by somebody who was accusing him of being a mafia or NIccea cause she's pysch major…
Crocty hard to say, someone with a dark-shadowy-avatar?
Dukat no clue
Harkovast agree with Hakosen about our so proclaimed “king of random” but that's really not possible…

Um… How do we know you're not just a mafia killer?
I have to tell ya man, if I was a mafia killer, I'd say that and it's a BRILLIANT tactic :)

Can we get any more “vigilantes” to come forward? ;)
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That's beside the point though…Currently, as Gullas says we have a number of killings to solve.
We know that the 5 killings done last night cycle were done by 3 mafia, one vigilante, and one possible serial killer.

We know that Gullas killed Leaderofstats and Waff.
-he claims that he's the vigilante, but we have no way of knowing this for sure unless we get a new mayor and he's able to get the police chief to do a check on him, (but first the mayor will have to be SURE that it IS the police chief :( )

We know for sure that Harkovast WAS killed by mafia (not the vigilante, a serial killer or any other unnamed role), because Baron actually says it in his narration.

We know that whoever killed Flapjack also killed either Harkovast, Crocty, Dukat or Product Placement.

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Now how do we work out WHO the other four killers are who are amongst us? We have one admitted killer already…
The only real names I've seen so far are Nicea, Kitty, and Ochy. The problem here is that all of that is based on the same superficial obvious clues that made us blame Blitz and PP…
So far all we can be sure of is Gullas killing two townies, and claiming vigilante status.
But remember, ProductPlacment claimed to have been Killed by the vigilante.

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We REALLY need a new mayor guys or the mafia will eat us alive. We can still lynch but there's no one to organise efforts with the police chief, sort out investigations and call double lynchs. With only single lynches we can NOT kill enough of them to save us before they win the game.

-Bear in mind that during the next night cycle the first Zombie death will happen and the rival mob boss gets his first kill, so we're looking at SEVEN possible killings… And all we can do now is prevent ONE of those.

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edit- one point in Gullas's favour: We were suspecting Coolguy of the killings . By admitting to them Gullas has saved Coolguy.
-That means that he IS the vigilante, admitting it because he feels guilty over his silly killing choices.
-Or, that the real killer (maybe coolguy?) is the Godfather and Gullas is a minor mafia member like the mad-hatter who's sacrificing himself because he knows that if he's lynched two townies will die straight away anyway.
Either way I don't think we can risk lynching him.

I'm in a bit of a bad mood right now…I won't rant because there is a thread for that.

I dunno what to think of Gullas's confession. I just know that we are scrapping the bottom of the townie pond now, so most of the people left have roles.

Why trust Ozone? I've appreciated his assessments but I don't see any reason to trust he is a townie over anyone else. Also, do we have enough townies left to elect a major that is not mafia?

Edit: Of the people running, I believe two are mafia, and one I'm 90% sure is a townie.

Niccea
Ok. Well. I'll take a whack at it.


Please vote for Niccea again! Or you can vote for Ozone. I don't care. I have some trust in the guy.

It's possible mafia are running for mayor, I have my suspicions but I could be wrong. I suspect one person in particular but I can't say openly because if he's not mafia then he's a very important townie role and I don't want to cause people to want to lynch him because of what I said…
He's one of the two but I have no way of knowing.

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OK, now for whatever reason, Gullas has claimed two killings: Waff and Los.

So we have to connect Flapjack's killer to one of the others.
:

Flapjak's narrative
lapJack1995 was busy getting the office ready for the town’s new mayor. “I got to make sure everything is nice and neat for my new boss!” He said. Suddenly there was a knock on the door. “Who could it be? It is so late.” As FlapJack1995 open the door a knife slide into him.
“Yorick.” Spoke the killer. “Tell them that I am coming.”
“But I don’t want to go to the undiscovered country!” Yelled FlapJack1995 before he collapsed on the floor.

Looking at the clues Gullas quoted, I think ProductPlacement's murders was the same as Flapjacks! in both there is a knife as the killing weapon. And PP's death is extremely theatrical with all that stabbing and dialogue and the narrator. The connection is obvious to Flapjack's Shakespearian death.

PP kept saying that his killer was the Vigilante… which throws some doubt on Gullas, but the killer also mentions being paid money. But that could be a red herring.
The Psch major thing looks like an obvious red herring to me: It can ONLY point to Nicea, there is no one else, but we ALL know that because she talks about it a lot. The last time there was a similar obvious clue with the killer advertising Gloria Sawanson dinners and cola all the time, it WASN'T PP that did it- as I'd thought it was…
and as others thought too, so a vigilante probably DID want to kill him.

As to who it is… I'm going to be looking for anyone who's at all Shakespearian or reminds me of Hamlet

I have not a clue really. I would have thought that the killers of the killers of Waff and Dukat were related. Or, if a member could kill twice, LoS and Dukat.

Both LoS and Dukat say proper names for someone.

Waff because he says the last name.

So:

Riefensthal - German filmmaker from Hitler's regime
Luz Long - Sadly my pop culture is lacking
Genndy Tartakovsky - sounds similar in origin to Rienfensthal…but I don't know who it is.

Course, like I said, these clues are ridiculous.

I believe the best way to find the answers to them is the wade through the muck and find the most unassuming detail and pick it apart with careful scrutiny.

Genndy Tartakovsky did the power puff girls, Dexter's Laboroatory, The Clone Wars cartoon, Samurai Jack…

But you can't connect any of those unless Gullas is lying.

trust me niccea the clues are actually really easier this time. As long as you guys think about them and don't look at the surface of the clues you will be fine.

Also the Rival Member can kill once every three nights, I never said she has to wait three nights.

ozoneocean
Genndy Tartakovsky did the power puff girls, Dexter's Laboroatory, The Clone Wars cartoon, Samurai Jack…

But you can't connect any of those unless Gullas is lying.

See there is my problem. -.- I don't know pop culture. OK…I don't know how that fits in…

Unless you want to tie it to Hakoshen since he had a light saber in his comic - extremely weak.

-.- Gah.

Oh well. I have some time to thi- no I don't. Someone think for me. I'm not free of mind until tomorrow after 930 AM. (Got a paper to write.)

the2ndredbaron
trust me niccea the clues are actually really easier this time. As long as you guys think about them and don't look at the surface of the clues you will be fine.

Never called them hard or easy. Just…mucky. I've never been one to read the clues really. I say ridiculous because they are a bit silly.

silly sure, but they are the type of clues that when you make the connection its like OH it so obvious now.

the2ndredbaron
silly sure, but they are the type of clues that when you make the connection its like OH it so obvious now.

I'm usually the facepalmer in that senerio. Once someone has a lead on a clue, it usually starts to fall into place for me.

OK. Barron confirmed it- the mysterious “extra” killer was the rival member and it's a she.

That means all the females are suspect…

Agammer, Ochy, Niccea, and Kitty? Is that all?? Not many to choose from…

I trust Niccea. Kitty hasn't said anything much and I haven't talked to her in PQ. Ochy has been a bit helpful and has PQed a little… Agammer doesn't PQ at all and just offers REALLY cryptic stuff in her posts.

Sorry Agammer, you at least LOOK like the “rival member” killer role that Barron mentions. So I'm going to investigate you.

—edit-
Agammer might be on the level, will know more later.

ozoneocean
OK. Barron confirmed it- the mysterious “extra” killer was the rival member and it's a she.

That means all the females are suspect…

I dunno O, some people have been called she's on accident because of avatars. I don't think you can just narrow it down to true gender. But, in essence of cooperation, here is the list off the top of my head of gender and avatar.

Odysseus55
Aghammer
Niccea
Ochi
Skullbie
Kitty17
Cool guy (that one is very vague. We know it is a guy, but he has a lot of girl avatar)

Well after going through alive people's avitar, I conclude that Harkovast was killed by Flapjack cause Flapjack's avi is the only one with a “red light” in it and the clues said “red light”

I forgot Skulbie was even playing.

Well I do have some info that is linked directly to the rival member, but I don't know who it is for sure… And I wasn't sure that the rival member was the extra killer until Baron said what he did.

To be clear, the Genndy clue points to kitty because of her drawing of the major's aid from POWERPUFF GIRLS. I have two reasons to believe that Kitty is mafia. I'm just surprised she isn't running for mayor.

Niccea

ozoneocean
OK. Barron confirmed it- the mysterious “extra” killer was the rival member and it's a she.

That means all the females are suspect…

I dunno O, some people have been called she's on accident because of avatars. I don't think you can just narrow it down to true gender. But, in essence of cooperation, here is the list off the top of my head of gender and avatar.

Odysseus55
Aghammer
Niccea
Ochi
Skullbie
Kitty17
Cool guy (that one is very vague. We know it is a guy, but he has a lot of girl avatar)

gullas
Well after going through alive people's avitar, I conclude that Harkovast was killed by Flapjack cause Flapjack's avi is the only one with a “red light” in it and the clues said “red light”

That's impossible because Harkovast was killed after flapjack.

Flapjack was killed in the first night, Harkovast in the second.

Me too and she has been very quiet.

ozoneocean
I forgot Skulbie was even playing.

Well I do have some info that is linked directly to the rival member, but I don't know who it is for sure… And I wasn't sure that the rival member was the extra killer until Baron said what he did.

I guess that would work Ag…it could also explain some of the loss of important roles. Crocty would trust Kitty a bit easier than most.

And Skullbie has never been the most active. She almost never posted in my game, but she never missed a vote.

In the first game Skull was a hyper player! We chatted constantly via PQ after she dies, trying to work out who her killer was…

Kitty could be Mafia… be she could also be the “rival” member, since that's definitely a she…

But is the Tartovsky thing just another herrring?

For now I'm going with the other two connected killings.
- and gullas… Who I'm not sure of.

ozoneocean
In the first game Skull was a hyper player! We chatted constantly via PQ after she dies, trying to work out who her killer was…

That was through PQs. She didn't post too much in the game thread.

I thought she contributed OK in BK's game before she died and even as a dead talker… (we REALLY thought Gullas killed her but it was Skool all along…).
Anyway, yeah, she's silent now.

And I will be too, it's bloody 1:45AM shiiiiizzzzzzzzz! Night all!


Ok DON'T FORGET TO VOTE FOR A NEW MAYOR!!
Standing:

Ozone
Ody
Niccea

Vote for one, please!

I still don't see how you got Gullas from those clues. But the clues for Skool were the least obvious.

But the past is history.

Vote for me or Ozone.

Ozone - cause he seems to know what he is doing.

Me - cause I want to be mayor, dammit!