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Gunwallace at 10:10PM, Sept. 18, 2012
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ozoneocean wrote:
People, you HVE to hear Bane's song in the latest Quackcast!!!! http://www.drunkduck.com/quackcast/episode-95-kawaii-daigakusei-confidential/
 
 You really do … Banes took some cheesy lyrics and produced something that has me gobsmacked. The man is a god.
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ayesinback at 7:15AM, Sept. 19, 2012
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tis THAT day agin. ARR!
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Tantz Aerine at 1:28PM, Sept. 19, 2012
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Gunwallace wrote:
ozoneocean wrote:
People, you HVE to hear Bane's song in the latest Quackcast!!!! http://www.drunkduck.com/quackcast/episode-95-kawaii-daigakusei-confidential/
  
 You really do … Banes took some cheesy lyrics and produced something that has me gobsmacked. The man is a god.
Now Banes is required to sing every time. Because he's just that good. 
 
ozoneocean at 9:12PM, Sept. 19, 2012
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Tantz Aerine wrote:
Now Banes is required to sing every time. Because he's just that good.  
 
Agreed!
I want an advance copy of his next album. A signed copy!
And I want Gunwallace on ukulele.
Oh, and Tantz on backing vocals.
 
gullas at 1:48AM, Sept. 20, 2012
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Just bought myself some danish, organic mayonnaise whihc taste just like a Rock Ptarmigan, a popular Icelandic christmas dish that I grew up with. Not saying it was bad, but it was a little unexpected in the middle of my sickness…
ozoneocean at 3:12AM, Sept. 20, 2012
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“Organic” Mayonase… I wonder what that's made from http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7S4B8NOlOO0 ^_^
 
Tantz Aerine at 10:45AM, Sept. 20, 2012
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ozoneocean wrote:
Tantz Aerine wrote:
Now Banes is required to sing every time. Because he's just that good.  
  
Agreed!
I want an advance copy of his next album. A signed copy!
And I want Gunwallace on ukulele.
Oh, and Tantz on backing vocals.
Tantz on backing vocals is tantamount to sabotage.
 
Gunwallace at 12:49AM, Sept. 21, 2012
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Tantz Aerine wrote:
ozoneocean wrote:
Tantz Aerine wrote:
Now Banes is required to sing every time. Because he's just that good.  
   
Agreed!
I want an advance copy of his next album. A signed copy!
And I want Gunwallace on ukulele.
Oh, and Tantz on backing vocals.
Tantz on backing vocals is tantamount to sabotage. 
Sabotage? So you're suggesting we cover the Beastie Boys? Okay then.
David ‘Gunwallace’ Tulloch, www.virtuallycomics.com
ozoneocean at 10:32AM, Sept. 21, 2012
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YES!
Effing yes gunwallace. That is geeeeenyose!
OK, we're doing that for next weeks Quackcast. You, Banes, Tantz, Me… PitFace… Ayes, Bravo?   we have to do that. As many or as few as we can get, it doesn't matter.
 
Have to.
 
It is imperative.
 
bravo1102 at 11:34AM, Sept. 21, 2012
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I don't have a singing voice so much as an off-key squawk so please look elsewhere.
Gunwallace at 6:07PM, Sept. 21, 2012
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bravo1102 wrote:
I don't have a singing voice so much as an off-key squawk so please look elsewhere.
I think that makes you more than qualified to sing a Beastie Boys number :-)
David ‘Gunwallace’ Tulloch, www.virtuallycomics.com
Lonnehart at 7:15PM, Sept. 21, 2012
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I'd sing, but it's really bad. Blew out ALL the speakers in a karaoke bar once. I'm not going to bring down the Internet too…
gullas at 7:33PM, Sept. 21, 2012
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@ozoneocean 

lots and lots of love and lubricant!
 
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ozoneocean at 11:05AM, Sept. 24, 2012
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I have sent emails to people asking for them to sing the Beasty song!
Some people I don't have e-mail for or can't recall it… so….
 
If ya wanna be part of it, PLEAE please send a recoprding of yourself singing Sabotage by the Beastie Boys to OZONEOCEAN AT YAHOO DOT COM
 
Here's a link to the BBs singing it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z5rRZdiu1UE
 
And here are the lyrics:
 
 
I can't stand it, I know you planned it
I'm gonna set it straight, this Watergate
I can't stand rocking when I'm in here
'Cause your crystal ball ain't so crystal clear
 
So while you sit back and wonder why
I got this fucking thorn in my side
Oh my God, it's a mirage
I'm tellin' y'all, it's a
sabotage
 
So, so, so, so listen up ‘cause you can’t say nothin'
You'll shut me down with a push of your button?
But you, I'm out and I'm gone
I'll tell you now, I keep it on and on
 
'Cause what you see you might not get
And we can bet, so don't you get souped yet
You're scheming on a thing that's a mirage
I'm trying to tell you now, it's sabotage
 
Why
Our backs are now against the wall?
Listen all y'all, it's a sabotage
Listen all y'all, it's a sabotage
Listen all y'all, it's a sabotage
Listen all y'all, it's a sabotage
 
I can't stand it, I know you planned it
I'm gonna set it straight, this Watergate
Lord, I can't stand rockin' when I'm in this place
Because I feel disgrace because you're all in my face
 
But make no mistakes and switch up my channel
I'm Buddy Rich when I fly off the handle
What could it be, it's a mirage
You're scheming on a thing, that's
sabotage
 
 
Gunwallace and Gullas, if either of you guys wanna have a go at music for this I will love you forever!!! ^_^
 
PIT_FACE at 12:09PM, Sept. 24, 2012
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no way, i already had to sing “ich bin fesche Lola, der Liebling Der saison.” besides, you have to contact my lawyer.
 
get someone who can beat box.
Tantz Aerine at 2:52PM, Sept. 24, 2012
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PIT_FACE wrote:
no way, i already had to sing “ich bin fesche Lola, der Liebling Der saison.” besides, you have to contact my lawyer.
 
get someone who can beat box.
She makes a wonderful Lola. I am SURE she can beat box too >:)
 
gullas at 6:49PM, Sept. 24, 2012
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@ozone, my schedule is a bit hectic at the moment. Can't promise you anything but you never know…
ozoneocean at 9:12PM, Sept. 24, 2012
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I will take anything. ANYTHING! :)
Even just a simple riff :) :) :)
 
Tantz has already had a go and it was brilliant!
The thing is that you don't have to even do a straight adaption of the song. As liong as it's in time to the music, anything is ok.
 
Tantz Aerine at 4:13AM, Sept. 25, 2012
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ozoneocean wrote:
I will take anything. ANYTHING! :)
Even just a simple riff :) :) :)
 
Tantz has already had a go and it was brilliant!
The thing is that you don't have to even do a straight adaption of the song. As liong as it's in time to the music, anything is ok.
Oz was lucky because at the time he sent his e-mail I'd already had a tall vodka martini. But it was fun. :P

 
 
Abt_Nihil at 9:25AM, Sept. 25, 2012
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Sorry, I won't be able to record this - I'm not at home this week, and far from any recording equipment :/
Gunwallace at 2:20PM, Sept. 25, 2012
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Hopefully I'll get some time this weekend to at least record a bassline. 
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ozoneocean at 8:54PM, Sept. 25, 2012
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@ Gunwallace - I would LOVE a baseline! ^___^
  
@Abt - man… so many can't or won't do a version. We need more glasses of Vodka!!!
All I have so far is a brilliant version by Tantz, a robot voice by Skool (she got her comp to sing instead) and a version by MEEEE!
 
Bravo says he's mute due to salt air at night, or the vapours or the weeping quinsey or some such thing, Banes has had a massive personal setback so he gets an automatic pass, Ayes says it's not goofy enough for her, Gullas is too time poor, Pit_Face is scared, and Abt is is jetting about living the highlife of an international celebrity.
:(
 
But never fear, I will make this work, even if I have to imitate evey last one of you >:)
 
ozoneocean at 9:00PM, Sept. 25, 2012
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Man! Almost lost that post to the dreaded 502 error… I learned my lesson and wated till things were back online again before using the browser back button and reposting.
PHEW!!!
 
Lonnehart at 9:32PM, Sept. 25, 2012
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Just another combattler V(ictory) vid but with a different soundtrack…
 
Combattler V Battlefield
 
I know Ozone is a fan of his “crotch rocket” though that weapon comes out of his stomach.  I'm more fond of two of other weapons… namely the buzzsaw treads and the buzzsaw yoyos.  You never expect the first one, and the second one is too hard to try and dodge.
 
I wonder though… aren't giant robots a tactucal disadvantage in an actual battle?  First off the assembled form may have more power, but is a bigger target.  Second the entire team has to be in sync… ALL THE TIME!  Otherwise they will lose the battle if even one of them is having problems
 
I guess these are just many of the reasons why “Super Robots” are so rare.  I mean… in one anime they tried to mass manufacture the Mazinger robot.  A lot of soldiers died piloting them…
bravo1102 at 3:55AM, Sept. 26, 2012
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So I rested my voice for a couple of days and couldn't get through the first verse before my throat seized up.  

So the only thing I'm doing is talking to the wife and coughing.  My voice is gone.  My rendition of anything the Beastie Boys did is the last thing I'm going to subject my voice to.  
ozoneocean at 4:50AM, Sept. 26, 2012
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@ Lonne - Yeah, super robots make zero sense, even the more realistic combat bots in something like Gassaraki wouldn't really be that great in reality, although this vid with then VS tanks and other AFVs makes it look extremely one-sided:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m4b-haPATmI&feature=related
  
- Dissecting that scene I think it's their advanced missiles that really make them superior. But the AFVs could also easily mount missiles like that too, and far more of them, or even just have a specialised AFV that just had a massive pod with them as well as super long-range sensitive sensors. Sure they can handle rougher terrain and move faster, but their armour would be negligible compared to any tank and they have a much higher profile making them easier to see and shoot at.
  
Out of all mecha in Anime I think Ghost in the Shell gets it right. They have very small, fast, many legged, heavily armoured Tachikomas, and massive, slow heavily armed, many legged tanks.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UNdOUi61P4k&feature=related
They can handle more terrain types than a tracked or wheeled vehicles, be far more manoeuvrable, and  the many heavy legs are far more robust than tracks or wheels.
 
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Poor Bravo! :(
Well I recorded my own version. I see I'll have to imitate you then! >:]
 
ayesinback at 5:47AM, Sept. 26, 2012
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*sosad*

Tried to get a handle on doing just the “listen all y'all” and … well, I skipped the vodka prerequisite - maybe that's how things went awry.

Long story short, my mic is dead. :< No more recordings until I get a replacement.
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bravo1102 at 7:22AM, Sept. 26, 2012
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ozoneocean wrote:
Poor Bravo! :(
Well I recorded my own version. I see I'll have to imitate you then! >:]
 Do Ironscarf, I'd love to hear that urbane British accent doing Beastie Boys!
 

And the legs versus tracks thing, the programming for legs over terrain is so complicated that it still is not practical.  NASA has wanted to put it on every one of its rovers and ended up not because well sprung wheels are better mechanically.  Witness the new generation of IED “proof” trucks used by the Brits and US and the success of the LAV chassis based vehicles.  Walker's are clumsy by comparison whether based on elephants or spiders and the programming needs to be so exact and long for it to walk by itself that it's prohibitive.

Look at poor ED209 from Robocop falling down the stairs.  That's the reality.  Autonomous walkers over uneven and unpredictable terrain are not feasible with today's tech and will be helplessly over complicated into the foreseeable future.

And a walker is more fragile and harder to repair than just replacing a roadwheel or breaking track or even pulling a torsion bar.  Trust me I maintained tracks things for over a decade.  They are so easy to fix compared to legs and with proper track tension and weight distribution can go places a foot can't.  What kind of ground pressure would you need to put a 60 ton vehicle over swampy terrain?  An M60 could sink up to its road wheels and still go.  How big you have to make the pad to get that kind of floatation out of a walker?  So big it might as well be tracks.
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ozoneocean at 8:37AM, Sept. 26, 2012
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For rough terrain walking you might want to look into Big Dog:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mpBG-nSRcrQ
That's being trailed as a way to move heavy equipment over very rough terrain you can't get wheels over.
They also have a king size version now too in experimental trials for moving the serious loads. :)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=xY42w1w0TWk#!
 
It's even possible to build crude walking machines as art-pieces:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WTHI8o5ZOFk&feature=related
That one is hardly practical for anything, but it shows that legs aren't a mechanically difficult to design.
 
My point with legs being robust is that you can make them extremely sturdy and very hard to break, like armoured pillars, while tracks are tough, but very vulnerable to mishaps… I bow deeply to your experience here, but isn't it possible that the reason they're simple to fix is that they've had too be made that way to compensate for that very weakness? Tracks are certainly not simple things!
While legs might require more skill to fix they would be far less likely to suffer mishaps… And if they were prone to any particular issue couldn't they be engineered in such a way as to make those easier to address? Much like Tracks have been?
 
Your point about weight distribution though is killer! That would be a hard one to manage, I'm sure people with physics or engineering backgrounds could work that one out but I am absolutely and completely out of my depth there.
 
bravo1102 at 10:31AM, Sept. 26, 2012
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Ground pressure is mostly about how the weight is distributed and how much surface space is in contact with the ground.  The classic example is the wide tracks of the Soviet T-34 having wonderful floatation over all kinds of terrain whereas the narrow tracks of the Panzer III got mired again and again.  Each surface in contact with the ground has to be big to get good floatation or there has to be very little weight on them for the size like water skipping insects and amphibious reptiles.  Is that practical for a tactical vehicle?  Not as practical as wheels or tracks.

It's really easy to destroy a pillar with a modern shaped warhead.  How you going to armor it to withstand heavy hits and not throw off the weight distribution and ground contact?  You can make a big heavy wheel with a broad surface but it has worse floatation than a series of wheels so you'd probably have an insect or spider walker (or even a centipede) rather than an elephant or person.  You want redunancy.  You can lose a pile of road wheels and still roll.  Track can be relinked.  There's a spare tire or it's a run flat.  But a leg?  Who'd be carrying the extra?  Too fragile.  

Catapillar tracks are tough and easy to make.  It's only stamped metal held together with pins with a rubber pad.  A US track link is less than a dozen pieces.  The block itslef is solid rubber around two heavy steel rods.  An end connector is all of three forged metal pieces, the seperate center guide is five including the bolt and that's all.  Soviet track is even simpler being one cast or forged hunk of metal and two pins.  Add a bolt on piece of rubber padding to spare paved road surfaces and you have the essence of all track.  Most problems with the design over the 100 years of tank design was weight distribution and a smooth gun platform but the Mark I of 1916 already had the track design in place that is still used.

Bipedal humans are a bad design as far as that goes being a compromise based on the meager resources evolutionary biology had to deal with.  

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