Why is it that all these people always complain?

:/

Black_Kitty
You know, I was trying to read everything that was being said but I can't anymore. I seriously can't keep reading paragraph after paragraph of people ripping up on Skoolmunkee who is by far one of the most hardworking administrators on this site. Who do you think uploads a lot of the features? Gathers a list of the bugs? Does the interviews? Makes the newsposts? And is more vocally active in this forum?

You've answered your own question there.

She's being attacked because she's the most obvious target.

APB wants answers and why should they give him answers? Drunk Duck and Platinum have a business they are running and multiple business partners with their interests at stake which far out way the opinions and rants of one user. But some people only look at the small picture. The reason they are being vague is because its not a simple cut and dry answer they can give. There are other things at work and involved with these others companies which may in fact be more important to the running of the company and the site than the opinions of one user. I purchase items from a number of companies and businesses but I am not banging on the door to the boardroom demanding answers and asking for details as to their the business plans and product development for the next year.

With all honesty, its a free site. If someone is not happy how things are being handled, then they should leave. Pack their bags and leave the site. No one is forcing that person to use the site and mostly they are not making money off it. Go to Smack Jeeves or some other comic site. The complaining is getting old. Real old. If after 18 months there has not been results then why the hell are these people still hanging around? Their complaining hasn't made anything happen. Man, its like someone dating a girl who complains a lot. Sooner or later one of them has to cut their losses. The bitch is gonna nag and complain. Hell if I would put with it.

TheMidge28
It's okay to suck if you don't charge for it.

anonymousposterchild

TheMidge28
It's okay to suck if you don't charge for it.

Well Spitzer paid thousands… :/

TheMidge28

anonymousposterchild

TheMidge28
It's okay to suck if you don't charge for it.

Well Spitzer paid thousands… :/

Well yeah, but did you see the photos of the chick?

TheMidge28
APB wants answers and why should they give him answers? Drunk Duck and Platinum have a business they are running and multiple business partners with their interests at stake which far out way the opinions and rants of one user. But some people only look at the small picture. The reason they are being vague is because its not a simple cut and dry answer they can give. There are other things at work and involved with these others companies which may in fact be more important to the running of the company and the site than the opinions of one user. I purchase items from a number of companies and businesses but I am not banging on the door to the boardroom demanding answers and asking for details as to their the business plans and product development for the next year.

That's the thing, though. APC isn't demanding upcoming product development and business plans, he's wanting to know when they'll fix what's wrong with the service they have out RIGHT NOW.

It's not like he (or any other user for that matter) has just begun complaining about the bugs, either. People have been frustrated with the site, literally for months, while the only things we've kept hearing are ‘it’ll be fixed, it's on the list' when hardly anything gets crossed off that list, and there's no updated as to how things are getting fixed.

I don't blame the mods or admins, either. The reason people are beginning to lash at the admins is because they're the closest thing to the people in charge we can get contact with (see: APC's Snicker's bar analogy). I'm sure even the admins are frustrated with the non-info their getting regarding the fixes, and that's compounded when people get all over their backs about it.

I'll admit I'm still a real DD newbie, and I don't use the site much past uploading my comic and moving along. But when I keep hearing about all these new bugs, getting mySQL errors and sometimes just plain not being able to upload my comic at all, I don't have a lot of faith that anyone's even taking it seriously anymore.

“What the hell are you complaining for?! It's a free site, if you don't like it, then leave!”

I've seen this argument pop up a few times too whenever someone asks for something to be done. Seriously, that's probably the most flimsy defense I've seen. I work hard on my comic. I try very, VERY hard to make sure each page looks good, reads good and is satisfying every day. It's not a stretch to say I take pride in my work. It would be nice if the service I use to display my comic would try to do a little bit of that as well.

The truth of the matter is, if things keep going the way they are, people WILL get fed up and they WILL leave the site, and DD will be generally seen as a cesspool of bad scripting, bloated, broken code, and plenty of people just dropping it for something else. That is if they don't already. I'll even go so far to say that the only thing really keeping DD afloat right now is, other than Comic Genesis, it's the only other worthwhile free comic host, in addition of so many other people using it as a mirror for where their comic is REALLY hosted.

Let's have a rant, unrelated to the Skool situation ‘ey?

OK…

GOOD GOD, GOOGLE, I GIVE YOU ONE INSTRUCTION! “Find me some FMA”.

What does it give me? Spanish subtitles…and dubs…
Dragon gives me hope, with a link to videos that work! Hooray! Then half way through it starts stabbing my eyes with rusty nails and stops working.

And now when looking for a good site, I had to close Firefox when it wasn’t responding, and now I lost all my bookmarks.

Jeez'. If this keeps up, I'm gonna have to watch it…LEGALLY.

*HISSS*

The dub is fine, Crocty.

Hey everyone,

Please stop the infighting and especially attacking the admins.

Everyone here has this made up preconception of how the admin line of communication goes with me personally, and with Platinum Studios.

Truth be told, while they DO pass on information to me, and they DO ask questions, they are basically powerless to affect anything that I personally can't get to at a given point in time. No matter how much you complain at them or abuse their servie, you're only really just making things harder on them and yourselves unnecessarily.

That aside, i do have a list of bug fixes and improvements for DrunkDuck. I also happen to have about 8 other time sensitive initiatives that are highly important for a variety of reasons and so my time has become a bit of a precious commodity.

Look, I get it. There are some fucked up bugs on the site. They need to be addressed, and fixed. We are FULLY AWARE of them and are trying to figure out a way to budget in another person who can help us smooth out the issues we're running into. But as annoying as these things are, and as important as they ARE to fix, our department is in the middle of a resource crunch which is causing a very high pressure situation. I know there are things that cause the site to run rough right now, and hell, there always has been. It's never been a smooth and perfect experience. It seems that the more people TRY to address the issues, the more resentful and rude many users get. It WOULD be easier to just ban trouble makers annd send them on their way, and truthfully, while I haven't done it, i'm fairly suprised that some users haven't already been booted. Especially any users with a track record of adding little to no positive value.

I get there is frustration about whether it takes 2 days for your avatar or page to change out, and that's first on my list to fix. I get that there are security bugs, and trust me, that's right up there. I'll be slotting this monday through friday to knock off as many of these as I can.

—

Listen, if you want interaction between the site staff and the users, you have to state your points and wait. I know each person individually thinks that 5 posts about a matter is no big deal, but when every damn person with a temper and a keyboard starts chiming in, you have to realize you quickly overwhelm any ability to address or respond to issues. You will freeze up the process. Save your responses for ONE post, and keep it short and to the point. If you don't, I promise you it will be glossed over or missed.

Relax on the admins for a while, they've been under a lot of pressure. I suggest to them to step aside until many of these issues have been addressed and they can help in the ways they are best inclined (and willing) to.


For now, if you want to discuss this with me directly (succinctly!!), I encourage you to contact me at DDVolte6@gmail.com. Don't send me giant 20 point lists who's only real purpose is to vent out more anger. Instead keep to the most important issues, and I'll do my best to stay on top of it. I would do this via the forum but I know exactly what would happen - We'd end up with a giant 20 page exchange in the first hour.

Anybody who continues attacks on the admins will be disregarded or dealt with as unfortunately necessary, and I do encourage any users to act as a liason when emailing me.

AQua_ng
The dub is fine, Crocty.

Lies!
When I found one, I thought it was in Japanese, but it was just bad English. ;__;
Anyway, thanks for finding me a site.
I am no longer unhappy.

…

Much…

GOOD GOD, GOOGLE

FIVE TIMES FAST. YOU CAN'T DO IT.

crocty
Let's have a rant, unrelated to the Skool situation ‘ey?

OK…

GOOD GOD, GOOGLE, I GIVE YOU ONE INSTRUCTION! “Find me some FMA”.

What does it give me? Spanish subtitles…and dubs…
Dragon gives me hope, with a link to videos that work! Hooray! Then half way through it starts stabbing my eyes with rusty nails and stops working.

And now when looking for a good site, I had to close Firefox when it wasn’t responding, and now I lost all my bookmarks.

Jeez'. If this keeps up, I'm gonna have to watch it…LEGALLY.

*HISSS*

I once downloaded a torrent of TV rips versions of Trigun saying they were english subs. They were portuguese subs. On the Spanish version of the show.

How the hell do you change a thumbnail graphic for your comic hosted here???

I go to the main page for the comic, under the thumbnail that's already there, click on “BROWSE” to specify/select my file for the new thumbnail, then I click “SEND” and it doesn't upload the new one!!!

I made sure it is 80 x 100 pixels and even made sure it was under 8kilobytes (5.14kb for the new one)…

WHat am I missing?

6source
How the hell do you change a thumbnail graphic for your comic hosted here???

I go to the main page for the comic, under the thumbnail that's already there, click on “BROWSE” to specify/select my file for the new thumbnail, then I click “SEND” and it doesn't upload the new one!!!

I made sure it is 80 x 100 pixels and even made sure it was under 8kilobytes (5.14kb for the new one)…

WHat am I missing?

It's a well known bug.
Clear your cache to fix it and whatnot.

Volte6
Everyone here has this made up preconception of how the admin line of communication goes with me personally, and with Platinum Studios.

Come on, admit it, you guys do lines of coke at those meetings and throw rolled up $100 bills at each other, don't you?

Truth be told, while they DO pass on information to me, and they DO ask questions, they are basically powerless to affect anything that I personally can't get to at a given point in time. No matter how much you complain at them or abuse their servie, you're only really just making things harder on them and yourselves unnecessarily.

We don't want them to change the world, we want them to give us the answers that we're getting in this post right here.

Look, I get it. There are some fucked up bugs on the site. They need to be addressed, and fixed. We are FULLY AWARE of them and are trying to figure out a way to budget in another person who can help us smooth out the issues we're running into. But as annoying as these things are, and as important as they ARE to fix, our department is in the middle of a resource crunch which is causing a very high pressure situation. I know there are things that cause the site to run rough right now, and hell, there always has been. It's never been a smooth and perfect experience.

These are the kind of things we want to hear! I mean, not want, but are better to hear than “It's being worked on.” If something is going to take a long time, we want to know why. It's like getting closure on the issue. If somebody asks me to repair their computer and it takes longer than expected, they usually ask me why it's taking so long. I don't say “There's some issues, it'll be done eventually”, I tell them “I'm waiting on the replacement part I need to come in, but it's on backorder” or whatever the reason is. Sure they're grumpy about it sometimes, but they get the info.

I get there is frustration about whether it takes 2 days for your avatar or page to change out, and that's first on my list to fix. I get that there are security bugs, and trust me, that's right up there. I'll be slotting this monday through friday to knock off as many of these as I can.

GOOD! DATES! THIS! THIS IS WHAT I WANTED. Hard, concise statements about when stuff will happen. NOT getting this is what pisses people off. Look, the Duke Nukem Forever school of information is not a good way to deal with things. “When it's done” is never a good answer.

Listen, if you want interaction between the site staff and the users, you have to state your points and wait.

That's just it. We HAVE been waiting, waiting in some cases for two years. Take a look at the thread called “DD is back! AWSOME! But I have a very important question”. It's a necro'd thread from two years and three months ago where spang tells us that premium accounts are coming back. At the same time, I went back into the depths of the forums and I think I saw you state the same thing to somebody else 3 days later. As I mentioned earlier, another member asked me to help him test an exploit that he reported at least 6 months ago that's still there. We have been waiting a very, very long time and now it's starting to wear a little thin.

I know each person individually thinks that 5 posts about a matter is no big deal, but when every damn person with a temper and a keyboard starts chiming in, you have to realize you quickly overwhelm any ability to address or respond to issues. You will freeze up the process. Save your responses for ONE post, and keep it short and to the point. If you don't, I promise you it will be glossed over or missed.

The glossing over happened when tempers weren't flaring over and I wasn't even posting on these forums. The thing is that when we've been getting updates even before the whole platinum thing there's been issues. Platinum has only made things worse, and in some cases, a little shady.

Relax on the admins for a while, they've been under a lot of pressure. I suggest to them to step aside until many of these issues have been addressed and they can help in the ways they are best inclined (and willing) to.

We're under pressure too, but we're not in any position where we can do anything about it. If we can't upload a page, edit one, make a post, stay logged in, delete favourites, or our comics come up as “This comic has no pages yet!” we have to sit there and bear it while the site doesn't perform it's advertised function.

For now, if you want to discuss this with me directly (succinctly!!), I encourage you to contact me at DDVolte6@gmail.com. Don't send me giant 20 point lists who's only real purpose is to vent out more anger. Instead keep to the most important issues, and I'll do my best to stay on top of it. I would do this via the forum but I know exactly what would happen - We'd end up with a giant 20 page exchange in the first hour.

What's the maximum length for passwords? I typically keep mine at at least 128 characters now.

Come on, admit it, you guys do lines of coke at those meetings and throw rolled up $100 bills at each other, don't you?

I get that you think it's humorous, but under the current high stress situation, for your own benefit, you would do well to avoid those comments.

Volte6

Come on, admit it, you guys do lines of coke at those meetings and throw rolled up $100 bills at each other, don't you?

I get that you think it's humorous, but under the current high stress situation, for your own benefit, you would do well to avoid those comments.

It's more that it's pretty much the most calm way I can express that every time these meetings are held and we get an update, there's no real update to it. It falls into a lot of what a lot of us are taking issue with. It's taken this long and this much to get a substantial update to the situation when for years, even if there was a long time between fixes/features we could at least rely on getting information from somebody for what's going on.

anonymousposterchild
It's more that it's pretty much the most calm way I can express that every time these meetings are held and we get an update, there's no real update to it.

Then you need to find another calm way. Seriously. Just because you don't know what we do behind “closed doors” doesn't mean you get to suggest that we're irresponsible in our jobs.

I know I was once full of good humour and maybe even better diplomacy but I am that frustrated. But even in my frustration, I would not call any of you names or make unflattering suggestions.

Black_Kitty

anonymousposterchild
It's more that it's pretty much the most calm way I can express that every time these meetings are held and we get an update, there's no real update to it.

Then you need to find another calm way. Seriously. Just because you don't know what we do behind “closed doors” doesn't mean you get to suggest that we're irresponsible in our jobs.

I know I was once full of good humour and maybe even better diplomacy but I am that frustrated. But even in my frustration, I would not call any of you names or make unflattering suggestions.

You've met me in person, so you probably have a better grasp on the fact that I am really not normally like this, so you can probably see that this is a level of stress that is getting to all sides on this. Even the stuff I am saying in my posts I am very much holding back how much this is seriously pissing me off. “It's being worked on” as a reason really, in a sense, comes across as us being treated like we shouldn't know anything about what's going on behind the scenes in a community where a lot of us have been here long enough that we remember being told what's been going on behing the scenes. Also run-on sentences.

poinko
That's the thing, though. APC isn't demanding upcoming product development and business plans, he's wanting to know when they'll fix what's wrong with the service they have out RIGHT NOW.

The thing is he is demanding that.
He wants to know what's going on in these meetings, what are the plans, how are they going to be completed, when are they going to be completed…
sounds like he wants to be the project manager looking for a promotion. :)

poinko
“What the hell are you complaining for?! It's a free site, if you don't like it, then leave!”

I've seen this argument pop up a few times too whenever someone asks for something to be done. Seriously, that's probably the most flimsy defense I've seen. I work hard on my comic. I try very, VERY hard to make sure each page looks good, reads good and is satisfying every day. It's not a stretch to say I take pride in my work. It would be nice if the service I use to display my comic would try to do a little bit of that as well.

The truth of the matter is, if things keep going the way they are, people WILL get fed up and they WILL leave the site, and DD will be generally seen as a cesspool of bad scripting, bloated, broken code, and plenty of people just dropping it for something else. That is if they don't already. I'll even go so far to say that the only thing really keeping DD afloat right now is, other than Comic Genesis, it's the only other worthwhile free comic host, in addition of so many other people using it as a mirror for where their comic is REALLY hosted.

I hear you.
I agree with you to some extent. But there is something to be said about being part of the solution and not being a part of a problem. Complaining continually about the same thing for 2-3 months is a bit over done. I don't think for one moment Volte is sitting with his thumb up his ass doing nothing. He is aware of the issues and has been aware ever since they switched to the new layout.

As to the defense, I was not defending anybody but I was pointing out the fact that it is a free site to host your comics. Yeah it has its flaws, but honestly its has got to be one of the best sites out here right now for hosting your comic. And again, its free. And I believe there are plenty of others artists who take as much or more pride in their work than you, poinko, but they look at the benefit DD provides, with its flaws and all, and celebrate the opportunity and support this community and site provides…which is free.

I mean seriously, I understand taking pride in your work and you expect others to do the same, but I feel there is much more going on behind the scenes which dictate what can and when things can be done and has nothing to do with pride.
I think if people could shadow Volte for a day they would find he has much more things he has to juggle and handle apart from addressing the bugs on the site.

I say we shut up and let Volte and others do what they need to do.
I think all that needs to be said has been said.

anonymousposterchild

Black_Kitty

anonymousposterchild
It's more that it's pretty much the most calm way I can express that every time these meetings are held and we get an update, there's no real update to it.

Then you need to find another calm way. Seriously. Just because you don't know what we do behind “closed doors” doesn't mean you get to suggest that we're irresponsible in our jobs.

I know I was once full of good humour and maybe even better diplomacy but I am that frustrated. But even in my frustration, I would not call any of you names or make unflattering suggestions.

You've met me in person, so you probably have a better grasp on the fact that I am really not normally like this, so you can probably see that this is a level of stress that is getting to all sides on this. Even the stuff I am saying in my posts I am very much holding back how much this is seriously pissing me off. “It's being worked on” as a reason really, in a sense, comes across as us being treated like we shouldn't know anything about what's going on behind the scenes in a community where a lot of us have been here long enough that we remember being told what's been going on behing the scenes. Also run-on sentences.

Doc, calm down, have some dip. The situation with the duck really isn't that bad. As soon as I get the ability to delete favorites, they'll be few differences between the old version of the site and the new one, so I'm not really upset over it.

Besides, do you really want to know the intimate details of what they're doing? While I'm sure you care, some of us just don't. Just fix one bug, and I'm happy with how things are.

Drunkduck is to nice for it's own good.
On any other site what that guy is saying would have been ass-smacked with a perma-ban from a mod/admin.

You know what lowers stress levels? Getting away from the thing causing the stress.

Hey :)

I've been asleep for two days, what'd I miss?



Holly fu**…!!?? O_O


Jebus. Ugh. Well, glad I missed most of it. ^_^

Just moved a necro thread away that is tangentially related. Really people. Quit. -_-

ozoneocean
Hey :)

I've been asleep for two days, what'd I miss?



Holly fu**…!!?? O_O


Jebus. Ugh. Well, glad I missed most of it. ^_^

Just moved a necro thread away that is tangentially related. Really people. Quit. -_-

I have a rant.

Your avatar's moustache is too long and it emasculates me.

That's because Skoolmunkee drew it.
Really, she did :stache:

That fucker's knocking on my door again, only now he's doing it during the fucking day as well, before it was fine because I could ignore it, but now people are getting pissed of at me because I stopped answering my door. I also missed a fucking delivery and had to walk all the way into town to pick it up.

I'm going to have to work out a way to catch him at it, then I'm going to politely ask him to stop. If he does it again after that, there will be violence. I'm not usually a violent person, but the bastard is driving me insane.

My two cents.

First, DD is really in poor shape right now. I think we can all agree on that.

Second, we're getting awfully butthurt about a website.

A website about webcomics.

A website that crappy amatuers can post their mediocre comics on, surrounded by like-minded ‘creators’ who make just as much crap as others who circle-jerk and who rarely have any drive to make better comics.

So… we're getting upset over THIS? I'd be upset that we're letting such an unimportant thing get on everyone's nerves. If DD doesn't fix the glitches, that's fine. They'll start losing users and build a poor reputation. There's no point in being the bright-eyed knight trying to rescue the site from itself. I understand that people may have a certain investment in the site because they've been here a long time. I've been on as long as anyone else has, only I know when to let things that are out of my hands stay out of my hands.

The thing is, on the grand scale of things, DD will do whatever it wants. The users are unfortunately along for the ride, unless they decide to get out, sinking-ship or no. You can only yell for so long before you lose your voice.

We've voiced our grief with the site, now it's up to DD to decide what to do. We can't force them into anything since there's no financial incentive. (Users aren't paying for the site after all.) For every one person who is annoyed enough to leave DD because of the errors, there are 9 who don't really care. Doesn't seem like a huge chunk taken out of advertising revenue.

Just look at all the drama that has resulted. We're BAWWWWWWWing back and forth about a site to post comics. For some reason, I have a distinct impression that there are more important things to worry about.

Custard Trout
I'm going to have to work out a way to catch him at it, then I'm going to politely ask him to stop. If he does it again after that, there will be violence. I'm not usually a violent person, but the bastard is driving me insane.

I'd say put a lot of stickytape on your door and then rip it all off, leaving the sticky stuff behind.
It's a petty revenge, would only give a slightly unpleasant feeling, and would get more innocents than guilty… but it'd be fun nevertheless.

Yoink, off to work now…

ozoneocean

Custard Trout
I'm going to have to work out a way to catch him at it, then I'm going to politely ask him to stop. If he does it again after that, there will be violence. I'm not usually a violent person, but the bastard is driving me insane.

I'd say put a lot of stickytape on your door and then rip it all off, leaving the sticky stuff behind.
It's a petty revenge, would only give a slightly unpleasant feeling, and would get more innocents than guilty… but it'd be fun nevertheless.

Yoink, off to work now…

No, no, here's what you do:

1. Find out which car is his.
2. Go out and hire a prostitute, whether or not you have sex is up to you
3. Kill the prostitute
4. Upon killing the prostitute, jimmy the lock to his car truck
5. Put the prostitute in the truck
6. Rig the trunk so that the slightest impact will send it flying open
7. Cut his brake lines

Now when he's driving, he won't be able to properly brake, essentially ensuring an accident. When he gets into an accident, the trunk will fly open, revealing the prostitute. The police will take care of the rest.